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China's booming middle class is creating world's most dynamic consumer market

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Re: China's booming middle class is creating world's most dynamic consumer market

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Or it could be just telling the truth.

Telling the truth? Until Aug,2015 about 276 lawyers who help Chinese people protecting their human right have been arrested. But China still claim it is a country under the rule of law. Another example is that recently an official media of China claim that China is the most democratic country in the world. CCP is evil, never trust it!!!!!

Edward Snowden is being hunted by the US. Are you for him or against him? If you're for him, then you'd have to stand against the US government.

One could argue that due to the spying and the prosecution of Edward Snowden, that the US gov't is also lost legitimacy.

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Anne Stevenson-Yang, a journalist and software executive who's worked and lived in China since 1985, and now a research director at an investment capital firm, has this to say about China's GDP: "actual Chinese GDP is probably a third lower than is officially reported" http://www.barrons.com/articles/anne-stevenson-yang-why-xi-j... "China is sinking into a deflationary recession that’s increasing in speed and may tak…

Maybe the article represents a bit of wishful thinking; but the fact that this is the most up-voted comment is also quite revealing.

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Having your software stolen after they request a 30 day trial.

That's the Far East for ya. We gave a Korean company a 30-day evaluation copy of our software in the early '90s. They decided not to purchase, and a few years later we dropped the product entirely. In 1999 someone from the Korean company called up and asked if we could certify our software to be Y2K compliant.

Was there no killswitch after the 30 days? Is that not common in these "company trials"?

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It seems to me the article written by a Lobbyists of CCP before Xi's visit

Or it could be just telling the truth.

It might be telling the truth but that seems unlikely given that it's repeating the "conversion to consumer society" script that unraveled at the same time that China's stock market unraveled in the very recent past.

Basically, the "rising consumer society" mantra has been going on for a number of years, then various revelations show how false that. Then this just repeats the mantra rather than in any way refuting the revelations.

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Anne Stevenson-Yang, a journalist and software executive who's worked and lived in China since 1985, and now a research director at an investment capital firm, has this to say about China's GDP: "actual Chinese GDP is probably a third lower than is officially reported" http://www.barrons.com/articles/anne-stevenson-yang-why-xi-j... "China is sinking into a deflationary recession that’s increasing in speed and may tak…

Maybe the article represents a bit of wishful thinking; but the fact that this is the most up-voted comment is also quite revealing.

Another number to watch out for is capital outflow out of China.

"Over the last seven weeks alone, $190 billion has left the country."

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-record-capital-outflow...

"by 2018 all of China's excess reserves — cash that it has on hand to use immediately — could be gone."

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Anne Stevenson-Yang, a journalist and software executive who's worked and lived in China since 1985, and now a research director at an investment capital firm, has this to say about China's GDP: "actual Chinese GDP is probably a third lower than is officially reported" http://www.barrons.com/articles/anne-stevenson-yang-why-xi-j... "China is sinking into a deflationary recession that’s increasing in speed and may tak…

Maybe the article represents a bit of wishful thinking; but the fact that this is the most up-voted comment is also quite revealing.

Why the strong anti-China sentiment on HN? I don't get it.

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Telling the truth? Until Aug,2015 about 276 lawyers who help Chinese people protecting their human right have been arrested. But China still claim it is a country under the rule of law. Another example is that recently an official media of China claim that China is the most democratic country in the world. CCP is evil, never trust it!!!!!

From where do you get the ridiculous claim that human rights and the rule of law are preconditions for economic prosperity? There are many unfree yet rich countries, i.e. Singapore.

This question was answered years ago by the magna carta. Without rule of law, you get corruption and a dissatisfied population. Then you get economic stagnation and suffering by the masses. Finally, you get the French Revolution, the various Communist revolutions, and so on.

Rule of law is necessary for economic prosperity because without rule of law, entrepreneurs cannot confidently engage in economic activity without fearing that their property rights will be trampled and the wealth they generate will be taken away by an arbitrarily deciding government. Why should someone take so much risk and then be punished for their success? Without rule of law, there can be a temporary party for a few decades, but the party stops when the government starts getting out of hand and abuses its power. This is why Xi Jiping is making stamping out corruption one of his top public priorities, more so than any previous Chinese leader in modern history. He is also on record that he wants China to move forward to have proper rule of law.

I dislike it when people bring up Singapore as an example. Singapore is so small that it's really easy to manage compared to a large country with a large population. And besides that, Singapore doesn't have poor quality rule of law compared to other countries (yet).

edit: I get the impression that you equate rule of law with democracy. But you didn't actually say that, so please confirm for me whether or not that's what you really think. Rule of law is something else entirely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having your software stolen after they request a 30 day trial.

That's the Far East for ya. We gave a Korean company a 30-day evaluation copy of our software in the early '90s. They decided not to purchase, and a few years later we dropped the product entirely. In 1999 someone from the Korean company called up and asked if we could certify our software to be Y2K compliant.

Yeah, let's generalize an entire region after getting screwed over by one company.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the Far East for ya. We gave a Korean company a 30-day evaluation copy of our software in the early '90s. They decided not to purchase, and a few years later we dropped the product entirely. In 1999 someone from the Korean company called up and asked if we could certify our software to be Y2K compliant.

Was there no killswitch after the 30 days? Is that not common in these "company trials"?

Oddly, no. We're not a software company, and we don't normally sell our software. It's developed for in-house use. One of the managers thought this particular application would be pretty lucrative if we sold it overseas (our customers are all in the US), so he got permission to do so. But we really didn't know what we were doing, i.e. we had a useful application with thousands of internal customers, but on the business side we were making it all up as we went along.

In the end the product was dropped because there's a lot of effort that goes into making an application a product you can sell to other companies, and we would have had to grow our organization more than the higher-ups wanted to grow it. Things like fancier interfaces, license enforcement, documentation, packaging, 24 hour support, etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the article represents a bit of wishful thinking; but the fact that this is the most up-voted comment is also quite revealing.

Why the strong anti-China sentiment on HN? I don't get it.

Probably a combination of inherent cynicism and lack of credibility in Chinese financial statistics.
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