Totally Honest Software Engineering Negotiations

Post by monknomo » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 4:23 PM UTC

ITGleek wrote: post #12

icedchai wrote: post #3

Yep, this is what you have to do. I know a guy, smart developer, not even a college graduate who had dropped out of community college, who clawed his way from 60k to 150 in less than 6 years using similar tactics. You need a decent safety net, brass balls, and willingness to actually walk away of it doesn't go your way.

No doubt. I actually stepped away, because the upward trajectory, means your performance has to match the pay. As said before in the thread, asking OVER the top - simply means HR finds your replacement faster. Appeasement is what started Hitler's demise. Those who do not learn from the past, will repeat the failures in the future. However, its like a skill of knowing the timing of things - how I got this far, myself.

Post by hollerith » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 4:28 PM UTC

joezydeco wrote: post #7

Two things: I went back to my original employer and said I had a new job offer for $70k, and I didn't want to negotiate, I just wanted their final, last ditch offer That's an incredibly awesome way to have a huge target painted on your back. A lot of employers get really pissed at this tactic but won't say so to your face. They will gladly give you that new salary for just enough time to get a (cheaper) replacement o…

Post by joezydeco » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 4:31 PM UTC

hollerith wrote: post #23

joezydeco wrote: post #7

Two things: I went back to my original employer and said I had a new job offer for $70k, and I didn't want to negotiate, I just wanted their final, last ditch offer That's an incredibly awesome way to have a huge target painted on your back. A lot of employers get really pissed at this tactic but won't say so to your face. They will gladly give you that new salary for just enough time to get a (cheaper) replacement o…

Thanks for the information, but Experian is a credit bureau or credit reporting company. A credit union is something else, more like a saving-and-loan association.

Post by joezydeco » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 4:32 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #16

klenwell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the 2010s, where credit unions now run additional services for employers and HR departments. My company regularly uses The Work Number from Experian. Interesting. I've always suspected something like this existed and have argued with people against lying about salary history on the assumption that it does. This is the first confirmation I've seen. Thanks!

But, in this case, he wasn't lying about his salary history. He was inflating (lying about) a competing offer (that he had no intention of taking). That's a lot harder to disprove...

Post by kvcrawford » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 4:38 PM UTC

sjcrank wrote: post #6

I would recommend a small variation of this technique in order to maintain good working relationships with your manager/employer. Start with a conversation explaining why you believe you should be better compensated, highlighting the value you add to the company, rarity of your skills, market rates, etc. If the request is rejected, or the increase offered is inadequate, then find an offer at another employer and use…