Apple Unveils the iPad Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by developer1 » Wed, Sep 16, 2015, 1:44 AM UTC

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iPad is much more niche compared to iPhone. Not everyone wants/needs a consumer device to lounge around with for the price point. Everyone wants a phone. And to people like me, the iPad keyboard is simply unusable in landscape mode. Has this changed? No idea why they insist(ed) on stretching the keyboard across the entire screen instead of leaving half of the keyboard accessible to either side with thumbs. Even if th…

You can tear apart the keyboard in two halves you can use with either thumb. Admittedly a well hidden feature.

Hrm, I'll have to try one out with that setting. I have both a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, but being able to watch video on a tablet while lounging around would admittedly be nice. I suspect the device will still be too bulky and heavy to comfortably type on for longer than a minute at a time, even if the keyboard allows for it. I'm always puzzled when I see a photo of someone typing with 2 hands on a tablet while lying down. I can't imagine physically arranging myself in such a way that this is even possible.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by bduerst » Wed, Sep 16, 2015, 4:03 AM UTC

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Yes it does and you're splitting hairs. Passbook was Apple's mobile payment response to NFC, and why they didn't adopt NFC in iPhones. They were trying to build an app ecosystem using credits for their mobile payments, and it didn't work so years later we see them catch up with Pay. The entire context of this discussion was how Apple killed NFC adoption in 2012 by not supporting NFC and splitting the market with thei…

It only seems like I'm splitting hairs because you're making huge leaps that aren't supported by logic or evidence and sound vaguely conspiratorial. Lets say Apple had stuck NFC in an iPhone 4S. What then? Mobile payments is not a faucet you just turn on. They'd have to convince the entire market - retailers, banks, and credit card companies alike - that they needed to incur tens of million dollars of infrastructure…

You've created a string of hypotheticals and argued them down like they're straw men. I kind of like the one you created about where I would say something about "user experience", because it's fluffy and mocking (on your part) at the same time. Bravo.

I had said that Apple stalled NFC development by not releasing it in 2014. Are you saying that NFC market adoption would have been the same, if Apple had released NFC in 2012?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by chmike » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 8:52 AM UTC

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This is an inductive statement very close to the doubly linked assertion presented by [Dr Milton Erickson]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Erickson ) from witch the academic example is "Save money, buy now". Here the induced assertion is "There has never been a product like it before" which is obviously false. This is beyond marketing. It is manipulative talk. In my opinion, this should be made illegal. We have…

Who will separate 'manipulative talk' from 'marketing' or other types of speech?

False advertising is a misdemeanor crime. You can be fined up to $5,000 for it and spend six months in jail, or more if it’s your second offense.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by macjohnmcc » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

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They will never make a device that appeals to everybody. Nor should they try. That Macbook Air won't serve as a graphics tablet. The Surface Pro 3 (I have one with the i7 and 256GB) is a clunky heavy difficult to hold thing with an less than great OS experience (with either 8.1 or 10). I'd be okay with the clunky part if the OS experience was great.

The SP3 is thicker by 2mm and is smaller on the other axes, and is 70g heavier. That's clunky?

Clunky is the edges of the device. I find holding it to be uncomfortable due to the relatively pointy edges. Unless I put it in a case which I don't because I have the docking station.