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Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by jessaustin » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 1:41 AM UTC

gizmo686 wrote: post #20

toothbrush wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a roundabout way of saying "filter bubble". Having to defend your opinions once in a while isn't all bad. If you have to surround yourself with people you find intelligent you might just be biasing your social circle towards people who agree with you a priori .

That is a definent concern, but I think it is possible to separate "intelligent" from "agrees with me". For me, the biggest requirement to having an intelligent conversation is the ability to distinguish questions of fact, from questions of values. By far the most intelligent discussion group I have participated in, had me in the minority opinion in most discussions.

It's good to be able to distinguish different things. In my experience, however, reasonable people can disagree on questions of fact, on questions of value, or on both questions. It is an extremist position to require unanimity on either "facts" or "values".

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by pakled_engineer » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:33 AM UTC

AirBnB as your criminal conspiracy supply chain strategy seems like a bad idea, how trivial would it be for the DEA to get a list of addresses on past/current listings, then search USPS db history to find patterns to investigate.

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by vfdfv » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:50 AM UTC

tajen wrote: post #2

I love studying economics like this article. It's the most counter-intuitive science. Unfortunately it's often a frontal collision with popular opinions, which brings a lot of hate against me (being white, I automatically get accused of unfairness). I wonder whether I'll ever be able to have a discussion about economics with less educated people, which means, will I ever be able to word it without hurting people.

Let's hear these unpopular opinions of yours...

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by Natsu » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 3:16 AM UTC

tajen wrote: post #2

I love studying economics like this article. It's the most counter-intuitive science. Unfortunately it's often a frontal collision with popular opinions, which brings a lot of hate against me (being white, I automatically get accused of unfairness). I wonder whether I'll ever be able to have a discussion about economics with less educated people, which means, will I ever be able to word it without hurting people.

When you expect problems from your interactions with someone ('frontal collision with popular opinions'), you tend to find them. This is the sort of belief that can be self-reinforcing, almost like a "self-fulfilling prophecy."

It's best to avoid things like speculation as to motives or intelligence of others. It only leads to mean words.

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by ericschmidt » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 3:45 AM UTC

Mz wrote: post #8

tajen wrote: post #2

I love studying economics like this article. It's the most counter-intuitive science. Unfortunately it's often a frontal collision with popular opinions, which brings a lot of hate against me (being white, I automatically get accused of unfairness). I wonder whether I'll ever be able to have a discussion about economics with less educated people, which means, will I ever be able to word it without hurting people.

Remove the following things from your two comments: being white, I automatically get accused of unfairness) less educated people will I ever be able to word it without hurting people. So I've defaulted to thinking it's a prejudice from the listener. You imply a lot of ugly things about other people. It will get you ugly reactions to do that.

Actually you're the one implying that he has formed his opinions erroneously, rather than through personal experience

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by dang » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 4:23 AM UTC

GauntletWizard wrote: post #16

DanBC wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> economics with less educated people, The "less educated people" is going to cause you problems. You probably need to find a different way to phrase that.

Yes. The correct way to phrase it is "Fucking worthless morons who would be dead if not for the shitty welfare state".

> "Fucking worthless morons who would be dead if not for the shitty welfare state"

This comment breaks the HN guidelines. There's no legitimate point that needs to be made that way. Please comment civilly and substantively, or not at all.

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by steveeq1 » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 5:16 AM UTC

Mz wrote: post #8

tajen wrote: post #2

I love studying economics like this article. It's the most counter-intuitive science. Unfortunately it's often a frontal collision with popular opinions, which brings a lot of hate against me (being white, I automatically get accused of unfairness). I wonder whether I'll ever be able to have a discussion about economics with less educated people, which means, will I ever be able to word it without hurting people.

Remove the following things from your two comments: being white, I automatically get accused of unfairness) less educated people will I ever be able to word it without hurting people. So I've defaulted to thinking it's a prejudice from the listener. You imply a lot of ugly things about other people. It will get you ugly reactions to do that.

Are you just as critical when it's inversed? Speaking (and hearing) one's unpopular opinion is one the key elements to a successful democracy.

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by hueving » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 6:17 AM UTC

pakled_engineer wrote: post #22

AirBnB as your criminal conspiracy supply chain strategy seems like a bad idea, how trivial would it be for the DEA to get a list of addresses on past/current listings, then search USPS db history to find patterns to investigate.

All USPS would see is an Airbnb house that got a package. No return address so there is nothing to investigate.

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by michaelt » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 7:08 AM UTC

hueving wrote: post #28

pakled_engineer wrote: post #22

AirBnB as your criminal conspiracy supply chain strategy seems like a bad idea, how trivial would it be for the DEA to get a list of addresses on past/current listings, then search USPS db history to find patterns to investigate.

All USPS would see is an Airbnb house that got a package. No return address so there is nothing to investigate.

If your threat model is "DEA busts darknet seller" they'd get a big stack of delivery addresses where drugs have been sent.

If a bunch of those addresses turned out to be AirBnB they could subpoena the details of who paid for the leases. Especially if their orders were large enough to indicate they were selling the stuff on.

Re: The user-friendly way to be a little drug lord: economic secrets of the dark web

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Post by eropple » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 7:19 AM UTC

tajen wrote: post #6

dublinben wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might have better luck if you work on not sounding so condescending.

Feels like that what I've tried for years. But your comment is the automatic response I get for any wording I use. So I've defaulted to thinking it's a prejudice from the listener. When is the last time you've discussed economy with someone who doesn't agree with you and didn't take it as condescending? and, bonus point, what did the guy say/not say?

As it happens, I occasionally rub elbows with folks who aren't particularly highly educated. I don't have much trouble discussing stuff like economics with them, or with technically-educated and economically-ignorant people, or with my 17-year-old brother who has no real grounding in any of it. All it takes is patience and empathy. And it's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing; I almost never agree with, say, my father on anything economic or political, but it's not condescending, even if it gets heated.

Reading your posts, the way write (and, I would bet, talk) comes off as if you think everybody is an idiot and/or is out to get you. I am not unsympathetic, because I certainly have my moments of jerkassery (plenty of 'em around here, and I'm not proud of them), but dude, look inward. I mean, even what I would bet you think is innocuous isn't: why not ask a question in good faith instead of imperiously assuming anybody gives a damn about your "bonus points"?

And the benighted-white-male thing is really, really not a good look, FWIW.