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Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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> as long as they [...] get users to agree not to act illegally

Is forcing everyone to set up captive portal pages just so people can check a stupid box on a form going to make anyone's life better? Is it going to benefit anyone in any way? I can't understand how anyone could possibly think that this requirement is a good idea.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really trying to understand how anyone can think this is sensible. Maybe 20 years ago when these laws were written by people who had never used WiFi at a cafe before, but surely everyone involved with writing this bill intuits that this sort of a measure is utterly worthless and just induces frictions. Maybe it enables prosecution later for lying? Hard to believe they think that outweighs the costs.

Did you ever take a look who sits in the European Parliament and European Commission? Introducing Günther Oettinger, the European Commissioner for Digital Economy and Society: (wait for his English at the 0:20 mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88OGXLFpeMw As a German I am completely embarrassed.

He should run for President of the United States, he's already ahead of most of the Republican nominees.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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post #38

I'm currently suffering two copyright infringement cases, which I can only assume are the result of the storm that reset my FritzRepeater back to factory settings, leaving an open bridge into my network. Two copyright claims, from two law firms, for albums I've never heard of, at times that I wasn't in the house. Because of an arcane, but largely logical German law named "Störerhaftung" I am by default responsible, a…

You (most propably) don't have to pay anything. Source: http://www.arag.de/auf-ins-leben/udo-vetter/filesharing-oft-...

If you want to read more from the same lawyer, his blog is available at lawblog.de

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

#65
Each time Germans are passing any internet related laws or their brave lawyers are winning another case against evil Facebook/Google I'm just facepalming. They keep on hurting themselves, which part of the internet is so difficult they are not capable of understanding?

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you ever take a look who sits in the European Parliament and European Commission? Introducing Günther Oettinger, the European Commissioner for Digital Economy and Society: (wait for his English at the 0:20 mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88OGXLFpeMw As a German I am completely embarrassed.

wait, you're embarrassed because a politician has an accent when speaking English?

No, because his english is horrible, and then he said, during a press conference "we’re here in Germany, we talk Deutsch!".

In general, his english is so bad that it’s become some kind of running gag.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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post #63

Oh, that explains. I've always wondered why there are so incredibly few hotspots in Germany - and the few existing hotspots are paid. Voiced it a few times to Germans but nobody knew it was because operators would be held liable.

Because it’s usually not an issue. In my city, we have open hotspots in most of the downtown areas and in all the shopping malls anyway – since 2011. It’s not like this new bill would change anything anyway, as providers just showed a "if you tick this box, you are liable, not us" page upon connecting to the network.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

#68

This bill is actually heavily criticized in germany, for example by the Freifunk initiative: http://freifunkstattangst.de/2015/06/16/neuer-tmg-entwurf-zu... (german) The bill requires network operators to make "reasonable effort to secure the network against unauthorized access" and to "allow access only to users that have agreed not to violate the law during their use" of the network. The bill also takes service pro…

> The bill requires network operators to make "reasonable effort to secure the network against unauthorized access" and to "allow access only to users that have agreed not to violate the law during their use" of the network. Can you elaborate on why this is bad?

Well, for one, it still effectively prohibits public wifi...

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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post #42

I'm currently suffering two copyright infringement cases, which I can only assume are the result of the storm that reset my FritzRepeater back to factory settings, leaving an open bridge into my network. Two copyright claims, from two law firms, for albums I've never heard of, at times that I wasn't in the house. Because of an arcane, but largely logical German law named "Störerhaftung" I am by default responsible, a…

Do you have given anybody else access to your network? Court decisions have changed in the last few years and e.g. room mates or kids made the case unclear enough (e.g. parents don't have to do stuff to stop their kids from file sharing if they don't have indications that it is happening)

I've heard a lawyer mention that (in Germany) in these cases you should actually abstain from any remarks like "my kids didn't do this" because if you rule out all other possible suspects you only leave the default: yourself. As long as there are other possible suspects, the court is a lot more likely to dismiss the claims.

So, yes, if you shared the access with others (even your own family), that fact may be a get-out-of-jail-free-card. Just don't make the mistake of trying to protect them (there's no need to anyway -- as long as they don't make that mistake either).

Sadly there are still a lot of these frivolous lawsuits and the standard practice is to ask for a ridiculous fee and to sign a cease and desist (don't ever do this without talking to a lawyer -- otherwise you can suffer even worse consequences if additional claims pop up, even if they concern things you did before signing the document).

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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I'm currently suffering two copyright infringement cases, which I can only assume are the result of the storm that reset my FritzRepeater back to factory settings, leaving an open bridge into my network. Two copyright claims, from two law firms, for albums I've never heard of, at times that I wasn't in the house. Because of an arcane, but largely logical German law named "Störerhaftung" I am by default responsible, a…

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterlassungserklärung I think that is what you need.

Not without consulting a lawyer first.

If you signed one of these in the past and get "caught" again, you're in even worse trouble than you would be otherwise. The last thing you want to do is give them more ammunition against you.

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