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YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

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Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because, at least in America, all of the time is 'white male time', and people of color and women often feel intimidated in spaces that are dominated in this way, so efforts are made to encourage a focus on marginalized people.

I see. It just that the concept just feels weird to me, targeting specifically a few types of people. I suspect having that here where I'm from (Portugal), would have been construed as being racist. Again, not being a troll, just trying to understand.

How much structural discrimination is there in Portuguese society?

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#42
The explicit nature of identifying these groups by race is off-putting, mostly because it is short-sighted. Racial identification can't be the solution if the ultimate goal is to end racial disparity. This obviously isn't the first or last program YC implements, but as some point the message has got to become more sophisticated to accomplish the core goal.

YC is a numbers game. This simply encourages stereotypically atypical founders to succeed, skewing the numbers in their benefit for future investors. It also creates role models for potential founders, showing that this is not an industry dominated by just white guys.

From the perspective a middle class white male, I do worry you might be making the problem worse by reinforcing and/or encouraging elitism on both sides.

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#43
post #32

Veterans? What does this word mean in this context? I would expect it to mean a military veteran (this is what wikipedia thinks), but it sounds very weird here. PS. I'm neither living in America nor a native speaker so excuse my lack of knowledge

Sorry - yes military veterans

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

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You planning to open up such a thing for the handicapped as well? I mean, until the ACA came along, I pretty much took a risk-aversion pattern career path so I wouldn't get thrown into the "prexisting condition" abyss, and I'm probably not alone here. Personally speaking, a lot of handicapped folk I've met through the years are quite clever, innovative, and determined, because starting life at the plate with a 3-2 co…

> You planning to open up such a thing for the handicapped as well?

This is part of the problem with things like this - while good intentioned, it inevitably alienates another equally oppressed group.

Why can't we just have "Office Hours" and make it absolutely clear it's for anyone -- and actually follow through with the intent.

It just seems silly to says "these here are for only this one small group - and that's how we're going to help combat bigotry".

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because, at least in America, all of the time is 'white male time', and people of color and women often feel intimidated in spaces that are dominated in this way, so efforts are made to encourage a focus on marginalized people.

>all of the time is "white male time" Like black churches and communities, professional women's societies, women's shelters, scholarships for women, women's clubs at schools, and so on? In elementary schools, where >90% of teachers are female? Among psychology majors, with 60-70% women? Do you really suggest that it is always "white male time" everywhere? Go ask a white kid growing up in a mostly black, poor neighbor…

> Go ask a white kid growing up in a mostly black, poor neighborhood whether he feels like it's "his time."

Yo Eminem, what do you think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem#1972.E2.80.9391:_Early_...

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#46

You planning to open up such a thing for the handicapped as well? I mean, until the ACA came along, I pretty much took a risk-aversion pattern career path so I wouldn't get thrown into the "prexisting condition" abyss, and I'm probably not alone here. Personally speaking, a lot of handicapped folk I've met through the years are quite clever, innovative, and determined, because starting life at the plate with a 3-2 co…

That's a good idea!

Not trying to be too snarky, but yeah, I know. There are so many support networks for youth and adults in respective communities that once you put the word out, I bet responses will come pouring in. It's a good compliment to trying to raise your outreach profile with the under-represented communities overall - lots of overlap and progress you can help be a part of making!

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#47

I'm not trying to be a troll, I'm just trying to find a justification. Having something that says you can only can come in if you are "Black, Hispanic, Women, Veterans, and International founders" kinda racist as fuck? It sounds exactly like segregation to me. Again, not trying to be a troll. Not American, just trying to understand.

Just apply anyway if you're European American, Asian-American, or have familial originals in the Balkans / Middle East / SEA. Playing the race card is a political move various corporations' head-honchos in the spotlight of society must submit to doing in America, but it doesn't mean they aren't willing to help someone who is a "gem in the rough" and earnestly needs their help just because that person isn't black / hi…

Your above example assumes one cannot quantify the adverse effects of modern American racism.

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>all of the time is "white male time" Like black churches and communities, professional women's societies, women's shelters, scholarships for women, women's clubs at schools, and so on? In elementary schools, where >90% of teachers are female? Among psychology majors, with 60-70% women? Do you really suggest that it is always "white male time" everywhere? Go ask a white kid growing up in a mostly black, poor neighbor…

> Go ask a white kid growing up in a mostly black, poor neighborhood whether he feels like it's "his time." Yo Eminem, what do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem#1972.E2.80.9391:_Early_...

By your logic, there are no social disadvantages for blacks either, because Jay-Z. Which is clearly false.

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because, at least in America, all of the time is 'white male time', and people of color and women often feel intimidated in spaces that are dominated in this way, so efforts are made to encourage a focus on marginalized people.

Notice that it's Black and Hispanic, and not Asian? At least Asian women might have dedicated office hours ("We will start with Black and Hispanic founders and if successful we hope to launch future Open Office Hours for Women, Veterans, and International founders.") Always seems like Asian men in the U.S. get the 'worst' of being a minority. Neither the societal advantages of white majority, nor the ability to acces…

Asian men are not underrepresented in the tech industry.

Re: YC Open Office Hours for Black and Hispanic Founders

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post #32

Veterans? What does this word mean in this context? I would expect it to mean a military veteran (this is what wikipedia thinks), but it sounds very weird here. PS. I'm neither living in America nor a native speaker so excuse my lack of knowledge

They mean military veterans.
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