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Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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I'm currently suffering two copyright infringement cases, which I can only assume are the result of the storm that reset my FritzRepeater back to factory settings, leaving an open bridge into my network. Two copyright claims, from two law firms, for albums I've never heard of, at times that I wasn't in the house. Because of an arcane, but largely logical German law named "Störerhaftung" I am by default responsible, a…

Do you have given anybody else access to your network? Court decisions have changed in the last few years and e.g. room mates or kids made the case unclear enough (e.g. parents don't have to do stuff to stop their kids from file sharing if they don't have indications that it is happening)

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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> providers won’t be held liable as long as they secure the network properly and get users to agree not to act illegally Of course they had to include that paragraph, forcing everyone to tick some stupid check-box. As if the cookie agreements weren't enough already.

When and why did the stupid cookie agreements ever start?!

When? 2011. Why? Privacy. But tracking companies have decided that instead of giving users the privacy the law was meant to deliver, it was preferable to ruin their browsing experience to obtain 'consent'.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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France does as well

Yes, but they have introduced new practical rules for simplified user registration. And anyway they're not as restrictive as the Germans. For some fun, check GEMA vs Youtube: https://apps.opendatacity.de/gema-vs-youtube/en/

GEMA vs youtube is not really related.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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Never heard it in France (in France you usually use the word LAN or WLAN for local networks, as it should be).

Maybe that's because it stands for Local Area Network? WLAN (Wireless Local Area Network) are not long distance networks so it's a correct term. A WiFi network is a WLAN but not all WLANs are WiFi networks. WiFi is a trademark used for certified devices that adhere to the rules defined by the WiFi-Alliance consortium.

Is a WiFi powered directional link between two towers really a WLAN? ;)

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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I actually misunderstood the entire statement because of this. I thought this was happening because of a politician from the green party and was going over green party politicians to figure out whom could possible me meant. I live in the US since 8 years and still misunderstood it.

Friendly tip: You need to look at the different uses of "since" and "for" in English.

Yeah, thanks. I know the difference in theory, but reliably mess it up. If more people were to call me on it like you did, it would probably be fixed by now. My American wife never tells me these things and just confirms it when someone else is so nice to point is out. :(

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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> The bill requires network operators to make "reasonable effort to secure the network against unauthorized access" and to "allow access only to users that have agreed not to violate the law during their use" of the network. Can you elaborate on why this is bad?

Would a bad person actually refuse to agree with not breaking the law? A 'bad' person already has a willingness to not follow the rules, so how would an agreement matter?

I think the point is to clearly shift the moral hazard away from the provider to the user. The user may not uphold the agreement, but then they are clearly the morally wrong party.

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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I'm really trying to understand how anyone can think this is sensible. Maybe 20 years ago when these laws were written by people who had never used WiFi at a cafe before, but surely everyone involved with writing this bill intuits that this sort of a measure is utterly worthless and just induces frictions. Maybe it enables prosecution later for lying? Hard to believe they think that outweighs the costs.

Did you ever take a look who sits in the European Parliament and European Commission? Introducing Günther Oettinger, the European Commissioner for Digital Economy and Society: (wait for his English at the 0:20 mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88OGXLFpeMw As a German I am completely embarrassed.

wait, you're embarrassed because a politician has an accent when speaking English?

Re: Germany's Wi-Fi Shortage Set to Ease as Merkel Backs New Bill

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And as usual, the whole reason that this "liability law" existed in the first place was because Merkel was in bed with some green guy named Benjamin. And what's funny is the repeal is only happening because of monetary interests as well. I guess the movie/music industry isn't paying as much as the other guys offered! Sad to know that Merkel has made Germany into a mushroom tied to a string.

> Merkel was in bed with some green guy named Benjamin. What a misguided reference. Last I checked no Euro note or coin has anyone called "Benjamin" on them, in fact they don't have people on them at all, they're places. Americans really need to stop using the Benjamin/Jackson/etc thing online to describe money, it isn't a clever reference even in relation to US currency and just comes across as ignorant when used to…

They're not even places on the banknotes. It's bridges that don't really exist* and only represent different building styles throughout the last hundreds of years. Some coins have kings/queens on them.

(* replicas of all the bridges were built in the Netherlands)

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