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Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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Unicorns? Ha! It's hard to survive, let alone be successful. No investors, convoluted laws, high taxes and complete lack of startup mentality. I'm a cofounder of an italian startup, and the road is on an unbearably steep slope. The bureaucracy is insane, the cost of running a small business is daunting. Other companies refuse to work with you because in their eyes you're a scrub (I heard so many times bullshit like "…

>I'm a cofounder of an italian startup, and the road is on an unbearably steep

Pardon the question, but I have read that organized crime is making a strong resurgence in Italy. Does this factor into your startup or affect it in any way?

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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Since there's much evidence we're not the only ones here who cringe at this use of "unicorns", we replaced it with "successful startups" in the title. If anyone thinks of a better substitution, we can change it again. (Edit: we changed it again.)

Regardless of how it makes anyone "cringe", unicorn is a jargon term with a common understanding and that is in growing usage.

It also carries a subtextual reminder of just how rare $1B startups are. No substitution does this.

It's just jargon with a useful subtext. There's absolutely no need whatsoever to cringe, and even less to censor the word from titles.

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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Lack of investors. Simple as that. Companies that run on deficit for 5-10 years can not survive in Europe. Facebook, twitter, etc. Wouldn't be able to survive in Europe, simple as that. ps. I hate the word 'unicorn'.

Because investors in Europe are a bunch of pathetic spineless banker types.

or they just didn't have as much 'help' from the government

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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post #107

I certainly agree that "Europe has no Silicon Valley", but I'm not so sure about "or New York". What part of "the full stack entrepreneurial ecosystem and access to funding" does London lack that New York has? (Genuine question - I don't know NY well)

Or you know: Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin.

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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Not sure that the premise of this article is even correct. I can think of a lot of successful European startups -- Minecraft, Spotify, Skype, DeepMind, the list goes on... -- and just as many startups led by Europeans that have succeeded in America (Lending Club, etc.). But if Europe has trouble supporting "unicorns", there are probably a couple reasons: 1) Gaps in the funding ladder. 2) Talent flight. 3) A preferenc…

Its number two, the ability to move to somewhere where you can keep more of what you create.

Why is this downvoted? It is exceptionally valid. Starting a company in France subjects you to almost punitive labor laws, horrible taxes and regulation about almost very aspect of your business. Even doing something as simple as buying a rental property and leasing it out in France is loaded with difficulty. For example, an eviction can take years. Leases are standard for three years with the tenant being able to exit the lease with one month notice with no penalty. Capital gains taxes discourage the free movement of capital. If I want to sell a building and invest the proceeds, I am hit with an insane tax which provides a huge disincentive to moving capital from fixed assets to potentially more risky but higher return startup investments. France shuts down during August. I was in mid deal with some equity investors in July and pretty much the entire process was suspended until now. The French are also in love with paper. To get business class internet in a residence requires me actually registering and forming a French company. In the U.S., I can call any provider and with days have whatever services I want without having to "prove" I have a business 'need.' I certainly can't speak for all of the EU, but France is high on the list as a difficult place to get anything done quickly. In the UK, even opening a business bank account for a non-UK resident with a UK registered company is literally impossible. They are so paranoid over money laundering that essentially the banking industry is not accessible to anyone who wants to do business in the UK but isn't a resident. The regulatory environment in the EU is harsh. Investors are not necessarily risk adverse but they do have to be much more deliberate because every transaction is regulated and thus incurs a cost or a tax. For example, to buy any property in France, you have to pay a Notaire 8% of the purchase price just to legalize the sale. This is exclusive of normal agent commissions and closing costs. Imagine adding 8% to every asset sale on top of VAT of 20%. You're looking at a transaction cost of 28% to just pay the government! There is no such thing as a 1031 exchange either. Taxes and regulation is the surest way to crush innovation.

Combining that with the violence-filled reaction to Uber, the hysterical response to AirBnB and the obsession with physical paper and it's no wonder that France is a horrible startup environment. Also, let's not forget the billion+ dollar exit for Daily Motion that was blocked by the French government. If if you were to build a unicorn you wouldn't be able to do anything with it except maybe cut it up and cook it in a sous vide: provided it wasn't imported from Spain or Poland in which case the farmers would drive tractors into Paris and set piles of shit on fire in protest.

I am not making a judgement on is European Socialism a good thing or not; I am merely stating reasons that it is difficult to expect high returns in such an environment.

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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post #98

Those lists are often incomplete sadly because the actual underlying data on startups is much worse here in Europe. For whatever reason people don't submit data to places like Crunchbase and the media channels here are far less consistent covering things, particularly outside the English-speaking domain. My partner has been compiling his own list here. Feel free to edit. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1cW…

Thanks for the list!

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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post #31

I've posted this before, but since I think it's relevant here: People seem to forget that Europe is not a country. Europe does not have a single uniting language. What happens, is that every country starts their own smaller versions and they stay mostly within that country. If they want to move to another country, there's often already a major player there, and they might not have the means to kick them out. I think…

So what, other than language, prevents somebody from starting only European-wide initiatives and reaping the benefits of the entire European market? I don't mean to sound like I'm minimizing the language issue, but it is surmountable. To contradict my devil's advocate question above: My guess and observation is that the ROI on certain localizations isn't good enough to justify the work needed to make a pan-European g…

Well there are also different laws and different cultures to work around. The differences between the laws between states in the U.S. and between countries in Europe are probably orders of magnitude different. Trying to understand all those differences would probably be a lot of overhead that could crush a startup trying to tackle the broader market from the get go.

Re: Why Is Europe Failing to Create More $1B Startups?

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>10 smaller companies might be better than 1 big company. 100 companies worth $10 million dollars each might provide the same number of jobs and the same services to the economy. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. It's beneficial that Airbnb is so big because I can plan a cross-continent vacation using one website instead of searching for each city's/country's version of it (which may have poor customer s…

If the ten companies interoperated, you could plan a cross-continent vacation using one website instead of searching for each city's/country's version of it. (And then you wouldn't be vulnerable to Airbnb, for example, demanding access to your Google Docs metadata in order to allow you to continue using their service.) You're making the argument that people used to make about how it would be impractical to have multi…

This is nothing like the phone lines -- the FCC isn't going to come in and force them to play nice, and these companies are not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

The big players will just starve out the little ones. AirBNB isn't infrastructure, it's a service. Without a complete socialist re-imagining of society, that will never happen.

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