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Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

#81
how successful do I need to be in order to be accepted into Harvard MBA from a western province university with mediocre GPA?

How much much under the table damn it.

You have no idea how much social capital an ivy league degree gives you in Korea, no idea! (ex. generous bank loans, women, social status, tv shows, your own kpop girl group wow!)

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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It is an interesting claim. I think Harvard would still reject him, he doesn't seem to fit in with what a "Harvard Man" is. The mistake is thinking that Harvard wants all the successful people in the world to go there, as far as I can tell they don't. Every private University recruits from their "tribe" whether it is 'quirky' at Reed or 'cosmopolitan' at Harvard, while not discriminating on race, religion, Etc they d…

> I think Harvard would still reject him, he doesn't seem to fit in with what a "Harvard Man" is. I disagree for a simple reason- suppose Harvard could go back in time and reject Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, or Stanford could reject Sergey Brin and Larry Page- do you think they would? Of course not, even though you'd be hard-pressed to suggest that they were great fits for their programs since they dropped out aft…

I don't know about Gates but Larry Page went to UMich for his undergrad degree and Sergey to the University of Maryland. Both had excellent academic track records when they applied to Stanford and Stanford's engineering graduate program seems to be filled with people like that (STEM undergrad, some technical projects or notable activity, entrepreneur tendencies ...) So in general I think they would have gotten in (and fit in).

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Harvard would still reject him, he doesn't seem to fit in with what a "Harvard Man" is. I disagree for a simple reason- suppose Harvard could go back in time and reject Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, or Stanford could reject Sergey Brin and Larry Page- do you think they would? Of course not, even though you'd be hard-pressed to suggest that they were great fits for their programs since they dropped out aft…

> Of course not, even though you'd be hard-pressed to suggest that they were great fits for their programs since they dropped out after their first year. Bill Gates was just a semester shy of graduating and even published a paper in his junior year at Harvard. There are many many Stanford graduate students who take leave of absences to work on entrepreneurship -- Larry and Sergey just were wildly successful with thei…

And Zuckerberg? Jobs? Ellison? Dell? If you think that elite schools wouldn't want one of the world's wealthiest and most powerful entrepreneurs on their list of alumni instead of another lawyer or investment banker even if they knew they were not a "great fit," you put more stock in the principles of admissions committees than I.

The reality is pretty simple. The Harvard's and Stanford's of the world put out an enormous number of hugely successful graduates because of selectivity bias. If you pool a group of 10,000 eager 18 year-olds with high standardized test scores from top high schools and mostly from privileged and wealthy families and compare that to a pool of 10,000 18 year-olds with average test scores and from average backgrounds, and pick one at random, which is more likely to be successful in their career?

The point being that if Harvard could pick their classes with the benefit of hindsight, my opinion is that that they would take a lot of students that they would otherwise turn down in place of a lot of others that they would otherwise accept.

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

#85
post #76

It is an interesting claim. I think Harvard would still reject him, he doesn't seem to fit in with what a "Harvard Man" is. The mistake is thinking that Harvard wants all the successful people in the world to go there, as far as I can tell they don't. Every private University recruits from their "tribe" whether it is 'quirky' at Reed or 'cosmopolitan' at Harvard, while not discriminating on race, religion, Etc they d…

> he would have been fine at MIT I suspect Why? Because he is Asian and must be good with numbers? Chuck, what you describe, does indeed exist in American universities, but it is a discrimination. We should fight such atrocities.

Not at all, because everything I read about him suggests he is a focused problem solver. Someone who meets challenges with creative solutions out of the stuff he has on hand versus someone going back and doing a lot of set up research and then testing phases and then development. Many of the folks I've met from MIT fit that same model, basically uniting around solving complex problems.

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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I grew up in a Chinese household, and I swear, Chinese people are way too obsessed with university branding. It's not even about quality of education, it's a cultural status phenomenon. If you take 10 mothers, the dick size of each one is directly proportional to the US News (yes, specifically US News) ranking of the university of her child. And if Timmy, some random kid in school, had a 2380 SAT, then as a fellow Ch…

Valid point, but there's something to be said for the Asian American community's obsession with education. Is it any surprise that they are the most successful minority group in America?

Not even close to the success of Indian Americans

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he would have been fine at MIT I suspect Why? Because he is Asian and must be good with numbers? Chuck, what you describe, does indeed exist in American universities, but it is a discrimination. We should fight such atrocities.

Not at all, because everything I read about him suggests he is a focused problem solver. Someone who meets challenges with creative solutions out of the stuff he has on hand versus someone going back and doing a lot of set up research and then testing phases and then development. Many of the folks I've met from MIT fit that same model, basically uniting around solving complex problems.

I was thinking the same thing. The speed at which parent jumped to that conclusion made me think he was the discriminating one, not you.

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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post #63
post #50

I grew up in a Chinese household, and I swear, Chinese people are way too obsessed with university branding. It's not even about quality of education, it's a cultural status phenomenon. If you take 10 mothers, the dick size of each one is directly proportional to the US News (yes, specifically US News) ranking of the university of her child. And if Timmy, some random kid in school, had a 2380 SAT, then as a fellow Ch…

Asian-Americans (including Chinese-Americans) have to have better grades and test scores to have the same chance as your average white American to get into an elite university, so I can see why Asian-American parents would think it's necessary for their children to focus so much on improving their test scores.

I think the natural followup question is- why do Asian American parents think their children need to get into elite universities?

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

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post #76

It is an interesting claim. I think Harvard would still reject him, he doesn't seem to fit in with what a "Harvard Man" is. The mistake is thinking that Harvard wants all the successful people in the world to go there, as far as I can tell they don't. Every private University recruits from their "tribe" whether it is 'quirky' at Reed or 'cosmopolitan' at Harvard, while not discriminating on race, religion, Etc they d…

> he would have been fine at MIT I suspect Why? Because he is Asian and must be good with numbers? Chuck, what you describe, does indeed exist in American universities, but it is a discrimination. We should fight such atrocities.

MIT is actually more diverse than Harvard. In the past several years, it's been >10% international. Both schools have about the same percentage of Asian students.

Harvard: https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

MIT: http://web.mit.edu/ir/pop/students/diversity.html

Re: Jack Ma: 'Harvard rejected me 10 times' [video]

#90

In my opinion elite universities are more for traditional career paths. They are nothing for entrepeneurs. You waste too much time with exams. There should be an opportunity to get credits for entrepeneurial work at university. Edit: I am engineering alumnus of a so called elite university in germany and struggled much with exams because I just wanted to do more practical work which one can sell.

My sample size is one, but I have a high school friend who went to a top school for college and is now at another one for graduate work From my more humble vantage point it's been incredibly damaging. He has no social life outside of his career ( basically the people living the same lifestyle) and has been molded to be single mindedly focused on his studies. He's honestly in most ways has because a more dull individu…

> (This is kinda funny b/c they were sorta conceived to emulate Oxford and Cambridge - which as I understand are all about he well-rounded "liberal arts eduction")

Undergrad programs at Oxford and Cambridge are actually very specialized compared to American degrees. Students typically don't take any classes from outside their primary course. While some courses are broader than a typical major at an American university (e.g "Natural Sciences" at Cambridge or "Philosophy, Politics and Economics" at Oxford) only a small number mix the sciences and humanities, and even then only in certain approved combinations (e.g. at Oxford you can do {Mathematics,CS,Physics} with Philosophy, but not {Chemistry,Biology} with Philosophy).

http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses-listing http://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses?ucam-ref=gl...

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