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Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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What is the difference between predicting and influencing?

Hard call: I'd have to say it all depends on the author's intent. Let's see ... at the time he wrote "Neuromancer" William Gibson had never used a computer -- he wrote it on a manual typewriter (and used the royalties to buy an Apple IIc). His creative vision was more one of social atomization and a particular aesthetic in a multi-national dominated future than it was informed by actual technology. Despite which, his…

All other metrics aside, Heinlein always impressed me not only for being something of a polymath, but for his prescience in some areas.

In particular, I often find myself citing his depiction in _Friday_ of its titular character using a multimedia hyperlink system which seems analogous to the web and media-rich hypertext generally. (He gets wrong that it's an exclusive closed private system... that is wrong... isn't it...)

It's not the depiction of hypertext research that I find compelling...

...it's his dead-on intuition that such systems will naturally lend themselves to browsing by associate leap, far afield from the original research topic. And that serendipity and unanticipated (and unsought) correlations will prove both more compelling to users and more illuminating that narrow document retrieval would be.

Whether that same book paints a reasonable depiction of the current devolving global political climate is another question... but one which also continues to come up in idle conversations...

Btw @cstross just finally read Saturn's Children, Neptune's Brood, and the connective-tissue short work whose name escapes me. I greatly enjoyed the winks esp. in SC to _Friday_ etc. Thanks!

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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What? In the movie he wishes for the companies to stop doing something they are actually doing . They are overzealously testing for any possible problem and marking people as unclean. It's unsubtle textbook discrimination, removing perfectly good candidates from consideration. The company is hardly affected, there are plenty of candidates, but since these people are shunned by most companies they suffer terribly. How…

From his perspective it certainly must seem that way. He can probably even point to a paper published by a legitimate researcher to show that it does happen. Even if it was written by someone who was paid to do so and all his coauthors later retracted their support.

You're actually arguing that it is a fringe opinion that the companies in Gattaca are discriminating based on genes?

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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From his perspective it certainly must seem that way. He can probably even point to a paper published by a legitimate researcher to show that it does happen. Even if it was written by someone who was paid to do so and all his coauthors later retracted their support.

You're actually arguing that it is a fringe opinion that the companies in Gattaca are discriminating based on genes?

They discriminate in the same sense that that real companies today discriminate based on candidates' skills and experience. Selecting the most qualified candidates and filtering out candidates because they trip certain flags are procedurally very different.

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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GATTACA is about genetic design rather than genetic testing.

Gattaca doesn't really show off any technological problems so much as it does a new kind of racism. Which, frankly, is not a problem so unmanageable that we should avoid genetic engineering to prevent. Basically, Gattaca's problems could be managed by passing a couple of well-designed laws.

"...This could explain why well-educated, intelligent people, all across the political spectrum, so often make the unspoken assumption that good intentions and well-crafted words are sufficient for making good public policy"

http://jaltcoh.blogspot.com/2015/04/what-are-we-doing-when-w...

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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Pure hyperbole, and incorrect at that, and it's equally clear where you stand. In case you are still reading: The poster I was replying to didn't commit a subtle act of prejudice, they made an overtly racist statement about white men. Then claimed that white men can't envision a future of black liberation. That's literally what they said, I responded to that comment. I am saying that instead of futurism (and other cu…

Saying that more black people would be doctors if they complained less is absolutely racist. Do you not see that? You claim oppression is fictional - so I guess it's possible you don't. You say you are pointing at the opportunity costs of protesting oppression. They are only opportunity costs if the oppression is not real - otherwise they may be part of a necessary struggle to obtain opportunity. Do you really think…

Could I realistically state any justifiable criticism of anything related to black people and not be racist in your book? I am leaning toward no.

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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Saying that more black people would be doctors if they complained less is absolutely racist. Do you not see that? You claim oppression is fictional - so I guess it's possible you don't. You say you are pointing at the opportunity costs of protesting oppression. They are only opportunity costs if the oppression is not real - otherwise they may be part of a necessary struggle to obtain opportunity. Do you really think…

Could I realistically state any justifiable criticism of anything related to black people and not be racist in your book? I am leaning toward no.

How do you justify the criticisms you actually did make?

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Liberal foreign-policy concerns? Why does everyone always forget that the Culture are anarcho-communists?

Probably because the books are mainly concerned with how the Culture meddles with others to amuse themselves. And I'd say that they're only anarcho-communists in name. Really, they're ant farms, kept by the Minds.

>And I'd say that they're only anarcho-communists in name. Really, they're ant farms, kept by the Minds.

People seem to get really butthurt about this, but it is actually series canon that much more thoroughly "posthuman" lifestyles were "in-fashion" at some previously point, and will be again, at some future point. The author was just focusing on the period of time that happened to be easiest to understand for his readership. And there are always those who make Unusual Life Choices.

Oy.

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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> A self driving car in the year 2000 (well, ok so far), going at 500mph and the passenger reading a newspaper in the meantime. Can it get any more wrong than this? I think those are trivial errors (got the car right, missed the tablet or internet). What can be more wrong is not predicting cultural and lifestyle changes affected by technology etc in the future.

It sounds like you and the person you responded to are saying that there were self-driving cars in the year 2000? There really aren't even self-driving cars now, in 2015. Sure, there are prototypes (which are really cool), but there's a big leap between a prototype and the average person owning/hailing a self-driving car. I think the shift to self-driving cars will be more of a social/cultural/political challenge tha…

>It sounds like you and the person you responded to are saying that there were self-driving cars in the year 2000? There really aren't even self-driving cars now, in 2015.

No, I just dismissed it as close enough (the 15 year gap doesn't matter much if you predict in the 50's-60's -- it's just 20-30% off in the date, and they still got the technology right).

Today, besides multiple projects (Google, Apple, Tesla, GM, for self driving cars being demonstrated etc) we have mass market self-parking cars.

>I think the shift to self-driving cars will be more of a social/cultural/political challenge than a technical one. I might even go so far as to predict it will never happen

If it's slowly introduced as a feature to new models, then as soon as people see how convenient it is, they'll enabled it. Some people will resist because they want to "have control" and are afraid, but most will use it. They might start using it 20% of the time or so, when in a traffic jam, when talking on the phone, when tired, etc. Soon they'll just leave it on most of the time. 15 years after they become mass market, small kids will have known them all their life, so even easier for them to adopt.

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You're actually arguing that it is a fringe opinion that the companies in Gattaca are discriminating based on genes?

They discriminate in the same sense that that real companies today discriminate based on candidates' skills and experience. Selecting the most qualified candidates and filtering out candidates because they trip certain flags are procedurally very different.

Sure, when the qualifications have anything to do with the job. When you apply a test to applicants, if it happens to have a bias that touches protected groups you had better have a very good argument that it relates directly to core job requirements or you are leaving yourself open to a massive lawsuit. Which might happen anyway.

Plus all the circumstances where you must make reasonable accommodations even if it has some impact, as long as they can still do the job.

Re: Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot

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Unnecessary generalizations..

Unnecessary? This is not a novel suggestion about the problems with futurists. It may be a generalisation, but it's pretty accurate generally. People privileged in some way aren't going to think much about that privilege. The rich won't envision a future with less (or more) poverty.

What data or study do you have to backup your baseless generalizations?

It may be a generalisation, but it's pretty accurate generally. — [citation needed]

The rich won't envision a future with less (or more) poverty. — [citation needed]

White men are less likely to imagine a future with full gender equality and black liberation than black women are — [citation needed]

People living in the West will think less about the rise of the rest of the world. — [citation needed]

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