Live data from Hacker News

The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

members.iinet.com.au

21–30 of 65 posts

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#22
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well to be a contrarian, nicotine is a mood stabilizer in people with depression and bipolar disorder. Consider it a cheap SSRI. It also makes you look cool which can score you dates which can lead to sex, and that's a healthy cardiovascular exercise. sarcasm

Nicotine reduces stress, and a low stress life can probably increase your general health.

Actually to the best of my knowledge nicotine is a stimulant that increases stress. However it alleviates withdrawal symptoms, that are generally causing even more stress.

Seeing a cigarette as stress relief is like thanking a guy for stopping hitting you on the head while he's amusing himself by whacking you in the shoulder instead.

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#23
post #6

At this point I think it is well known that quitting smoking doesn't have much health benefit. I think it is exaggeration to call this a "scandal". I recall this was talked about on television a lot back when Peter Jennings died - he had quit smoking many decades earlier, but he still died of lung cancer. However, here is the important fact: smokers die of lung cancer at a higher rate than non-smokers. The above essa…

Jennings restarted smoking after 9/11.

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#24
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine reduces stress, and a low stress life can probably increase your general health.

Actually to the best of my knowledge nicotine is a stimulant that increases stress. However it alleviates withdrawal symptoms, that are generally causing even more stress. Seeing a cigarette as stress relief is like thanking a guy for stopping hitting you on the head while he's amusing himself by whacking you in the shoulder instead.

Maybe that's why quitting supposedly doesn't help, since quitting causes a large onset of stress, that might perpetuate throughout their life.

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#25
post #10

I expect the anti-global-warming crowd to start smoking in droves now.

At this point even Sarah Palin believes in global warming, she just doesn't think it is caused by humans.

I will accurately quote her.

"SarahPalinUSA

Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;will cont 2 c chnges.R duty2responsbly devlop resorces4humankind/not pollute&destroy;but cant alter naturl chng 2:57 AM Dec 19th from TwitterBerry"

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#26

Personally I don't smoke, never have, and consider it an expensive way to gamble with your life. (They might cure cancer, they might invent cloned lungs, are you feeling lucky, punk?) But truthfully, the reason I wish people would stop smoking is not from altruistic concern for them, and not for any personal fear - I just think it stinks. It's as foul as farting and has much less excuse. Just stop, please.

Is smoking (outdoors) really that offensive? I agree that stale smoky clothes smell gross, but I'm never bothered by a crowd smoking outside a bar or club, or people doing it while they walk through the city. It's just a neutral city smell to me.

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#27

Personally I don't smoke, never have, and consider it an expensive way to gamble with your life. (They might cure cancer, they might invent cloned lungs, are you feeling lucky, punk?) But truthfully, the reason I wish people would stop smoking is not from altruistic concern for them, and not for any personal fear - I just think it stinks. It's as foul as farting and has much less excuse. Just stop, please.

I think you missed the entire point of the article: living is as much of a gamble as smoking, statistically speaking. You inhale carcinogens daily. Your mind is slowly decaying, along with all your other organs. You could die tomorrow crossing the street or next year from a random cancer, a blood clot in your brain, or the common flu. A friend's mother died while in the hospital recovering from a routine procedure, due to a drug allergy nobody knew about and no Doctor could diagnose quickly enough.

If all it takes for you to "feel lucky" is not smoking, you live a naive life indeed.

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#28
People who have trouble considering this idea because of all the conditioning can take a couple of hours online to investigate the scientific evidence for the dangers of second-hand smoke. When I did, they fell into the noise ... within statistical error.

What is the measured, documented percentage of smokers who contract lung-cancer? I never found that number. Furthermore, what other environmental factors were controlled for?

These numbers may even exist somewhere. My point is that they never come up as part of the arguments. Because "everyone knows" ...

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#29
post #27

Personally I don't smoke, never have, and consider it an expensive way to gamble with your life. (They might cure cancer, they might invent cloned lungs, are you feeling lucky, punk?) But truthfully, the reason I wish people would stop smoking is not from altruistic concern for them, and not for any personal fear - I just think it stinks. It's as foul as farting and has much less excuse. Just stop, please.

I think you missed the entire point of the article: living is as much of a gamble as smoking, statistically speaking. You inhale carcinogens daily. Your mind is slowly decaying, along with all your other organs. You could die tomorrow crossing the street or next year from a random cancer, a blood clot in your brain, or the common flu. A friend's mother died while in the hospital recovering from a routine procedure, d…

Smoking is anti social though. It's disgusting. It's like force feeding everyone around you asparagus, just because you love asparagus.

Please stop smoking everyone.

Re: The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking

#30

Personally I don't smoke, never have, and consider it an expensive way to gamble with your life. (They might cure cancer, they might invent cloned lungs, are you feeling lucky, punk?) But truthfully, the reason I wish people would stop smoking is not from altruistic concern for them, and not for any personal fear - I just think it stinks. It's as foul as farting and has much less excuse. Just stop, please.

Is smoking (outdoors) really that offensive? I agree that stale smoky clothes smell gross, but I'm never bothered by a crowd smoking outside a bar or club, or people doing it while they walk through the city. It's just a neutral city smell to me.

Yes. Especially when you have kids. It's horrible.
Post reply on HN