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16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by humanrebar »

cm2187 wrote: post #50
humanrebar wrote: post #43

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> the solution to this is better competition There is a lot of competition out there. A lot of great competition. The problem with this argument is that Apple specifically makes it hard for its customers to switch ecosystems. So it's still Apple causing the issue.

I haven't seen any user stuck with iphone because they rely on something they wouldn't get on an android. The only reason I am myself willing to pay the apple premium is because I am extremely uncomfortable with google's invasion of android users privacy and google makes it hard to switch these features off (like "if you don't want google to upload your GPS locations then turn off the GPS!", etc).

I've seen many people stick with Apple because they've invested in media from iTunes that will never play on Android devices, even Chromecasts.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by flycaliguy »

randallsquared wrote: post #60
shiven wrote: post #57

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... you are actually allowed to do both. Allowed, yes. Capable, not likely. Multitasking is overrated and actually counterproductive when writing to the meat-store inside your skull.

This is why lifelogging is so important. I don't want to have to be distracted from my life making sure that I preserve memories in a higher-fidelity format than meat, but I do want to preserve those memories. Further, the ones that mean the most to me later are almost always spontaneous and unplanned, so a manually operated camera isn't especially useful for them, anyway. I want full recording of everything I see an…

There is no way that the experiences you will have while recording everything will be the same as without. Unless you think you are going to live forever and get super bored in 300 years, just live your life and live in the moment.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by icebraining »

flycaliguy wrote: post #72
randallsquared wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why lifelogging is so important. I don't want to have to be distracted from my life making sure that I preserve memories in a higher-fidelity format than meat, but I do want to preserve those memories. Further, the ones that mean the most to me later are almost always spontaneous and unplanned, so a manually operated camera isn't especially useful for them, anyway. I want full recording of everything I see an…

There is no way that the experiences you will have while recording everything will be the same as without. Unless you think you are going to live forever and get super bored in 300 years, just live your life and live in the moment.

There is no way that the experiences you will have while recording everything will be the same as without.

If the recording is completely passive, as randallsquared was saying, why not?

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by mcphage »

madaxe_again wrote: post #9
opk wrote: post #3

He bought an iphone 6s as a testing device that would spend most of its life in a desk drawer! I hope this was a company expense or something? One of those would be like a weeks wages for me. I can't understand why people pay so much for smart phones anyway. And if your idiotic phone runs out of memory at the top of some mountain, "the moment isn't missed forever", the moment gets missed because you're mucking about…

"because you're mucking about with a stupid phone instead of enjoying the moment with your family." This, a thousand times over. Was at the beach last week, there was a seal sunbathing on a rock 50m from shore... Around me I could hear people complaining they couldn't see it properly - because all weren't looking at it, rather at the crappy digital zoom on their phones. I just looked at the fucking thing, these eye t…

> I'd rather be present and use my meat-based memory than have a "memory" on my phone of an event I viewed through a glass, darkly.

I'd rather have a digital memory, as poor as it may be, than rely on my meat-based memory which is terrible at the best of times, and many important events I lose quickly, without a way to refresh them periodically—like a photograph. So awesome for you that your memory is great, but that's not universal.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by gkanapathy »

Apple doesn't keep the base model small to save costs. They do it to increase revenue (and margins).

The cost to go from 16GB to 32GB is inconsequential. (They upped the step-up from 32GB to 64GB with no increase in price.) In fact, the cost to them from 16GB to 64GB is probably inconsequential. It's certainly nothing near the $100 in price.

The reason they keep it at 16GB is to make more people upgrade to 64GB. If the base model was 32GB, far fewer people would upgrade to 64GB, precisely because you would no longer have an unacceptably bad user experience.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by karmakaze »

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that folks will take more Live Photos than extended videos with these phones. How much storage do you need before the next auto wifi sync? Let it auto-delete old sync'd stuff. The problem is s/w not h/w.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by rwmj »

gkanapathy wrote: post #75

Apple doesn't keep the base model small to save costs. They do it to increase revenue (and margins). The cost to go from 16GB to 32GB is inconsequential. (They upped the step-up from 32GB to 64GB with no increase in price.) In fact, the cost to them from 16GB to 64GB is probably inconsequential. It's certainly nothing near the $100 in price. The reason they keep it at 16GB is to make more people upgrade to 64GB. If t…

In other words, it's about hating your poorer/cheaper users? Wouldn't it be a better strategy to do the right thing for the customers, which I guess in this case would mean having only one model, with a useful amount of storage?

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by hokkos »

The iPhone is supposed to be a high end device with great user satisfaction, Apple you are ruining it with this policy. User will have a bad taste and never buy an iPhone again, you are playing a dangerous game here.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by nkurz »

rwmj wrote: post #77
gkanapathy wrote: post #75

Apple doesn't keep the base model small to save costs. They do it to increase revenue (and margins). The cost to go from 16GB to 32GB is inconsequential. (They upped the step-up from 32GB to 64GB with no increase in price.) In fact, the cost to them from 16GB to 64GB is probably inconsequential. It's certainly nothing near the $100 in price. The reason they keep it at 16GB is to make more people upgrade to 64GB. If t…

In other words, it's about hating your poorer/cheaper users? Wouldn't it be a better strategy to do the right thing for the customers, which I guess in this case would mean having only one model, with a useful amount of storage?

In other words, it's about hating your poorer/cheaper users?

It's not about hate, it's that Apple is a for-profit company whose goal is to maximize their profit. They've decided that many of those poorer users will choose to sacrifice something else in their life and give the difference to Apple.

Wouldn't it be a better strategy to do the right thing for the customers

Are you suggesting that an approach that better met the needs of their less well-off users would have increased their profitability? No, almost definitely not. I don't like Apple, but their current strategy definitely works for them.

Measured by the metric of profit, Apple is inarguably one of the most successful companies in the history of the world. If so, can you point to any companies who gotten better results from the "put customers first" strategy than Apple has has with theirs?

Most likely what you mean is that the world as a whole would be a better place if Apple pursued some other strategy than profit-maximization. I'd personally agree with this, but it's also difficult to come up with solid examples.

Re: 16GB Is a Bad User Experience

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Post by flycaliguy »

icebraining wrote: post #73
flycaliguy wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way that the experiences you will have while recording everything will be the same as without. Unless you think you are going to live forever and get super bored in 300 years, just live your life and live in the moment.

There is no way that the experiences you will have while recording everything will be the same as without. If the recording is completely passive, as randallsquared was saying , why not?

Because people do not act the same when they are being recorded and when every statement they make can be reviewed in the future. Unless you are secretly recording them, don't count on an experience not filled with awkward self consciousness. You may find that a significant amount of people will not want you around them, including the staff of any buisness you are in.

If you think this is good, like some sort of pressure to make the public more accountable for what they say... I would warn that instead of an ethical wonderland you may find yourself in a panopticon pressure cooker with the status quo in power.

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