This serves as a reminder that the Unicode standard is remarkable US centric at times. Where's the guy flipping the bottom of his chin? Where's whatever the equivalent in Bangladesh is? (I'm sure there is one...)
Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji
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#52This serves as a reminder that the Unicode standard is remarkable US centric at times. Where's the guy flipping the bottom of his chin? Where's whatever the equivalent in Bangladesh is? (I'm sure there is one...)
Interesting point. Why isn't the unicode standard just "obscene hand gesture" (or similar?) and then localisation can take care of the rest?
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#53It's offensive, a sad commentary on humanity, and I don't mind being down voted on Hacker News for stating it openly. (Actually, if you really want to do things right, just flip me off, yes?)
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#54It's offensive, a sad commentary on humanity, and I don't mind being down voted on Hacker News for stating it openly. (Actually, if you really want to do things right, just flip me off, yes?)
Agreed. And the OP going out of his way to push for it is sad. There are more important problems to spend your time on than trying to make it easier to insult each other. If you want to insult someone, you can still do it in English. Your freedom of speech is not restricted.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't disagree with the premise that free speech is important, but it's hard to argue that the absence of a middle-finger emoji is preventing people from being nasty to each other on the internet. This changes nothing of consequence (but I personally see no reason not to include it).
I suppose the advantage of a middle finger emoji is it can be understood across (some) language barriers, and it's more concise than a roughly equivalent written insult.
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#56Can you set the skin color or it has to be a yellow hand? For when you need to add a certain specific racial factor to your insult?
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#57This is a symbol that will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years. If not much much more. The fact it's even in discussion if it should be there is a huge free flow of speech rights issue. I'd like to think if you're on hn you see the problems around the fact this was not there years ago. I want a world were people can communicate exactly as they wish. Not by a standard, especially a standard with mor…
This doesn't make sense. Just because a symbol could potentially be in use does not mean that not having it is a violation of free speech. Where is the symbol with a guy standing on a table mooning his boss? Sure, someone could make that, but thinking that the absence of this symbol creates a "huge free flow of speech rights issue" is ludicrous.
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#58It's offensive, a sad commentary on humanity, and I don't mind being down voted on Hacker News for stating it openly. (Actually, if you really want to do things right, just flip me off, yes?)
What's even sadder to me is the idea that a universal pictorial language is subject to moralizing. The idea is facilitating communication, not just that which is judged by you to be positive.
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#59The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0 Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs -- Range: 1F300–1F5FF http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf Chart Page 4 at Codepoint 0x1f595 Description on Page 14: Hand symbols 1F595 REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED https://codepoints.net/U+1F595 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f595/index.htm
Just learned about it's neighbour at 0x1F596 ("RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND RING FINGERS")
Given that there are 4 possible places between fingers where to put a separation (2⁴), two hands (⨯2), and each finger could be extended or bent (⨯2⁵) and the hand could be shown from front or back (⨯2), I'm actually quite amazed that they haven't shown due engineering diligence and spent a whole 2¹¹ codepoints to, for once and for all, solve the problem of displaying hand gestures... Even though some will be quite challenging to perform.
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#60It's offensive, a sad commentary on humanity, and I don't mind being down voted on Hacker News for stating it openly. (Actually, if you really want to do things right, just flip me off, yes?)
Maybe this will help make a case for including a means for users to disable any and all emoji if they choose to do so.