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Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by Drakim »

oblio wrote: post #19
Drakim wrote: post #11

I've never quite understood the emoji thing, can somebody explain it to me? Why are "funny" symbols and pictures being put into the Unicode standard? I thought the point of extending the standard with symbols is to accommodate languages that use symbols for writing.

It's because those "funny" symbols are needed in concise, informal communication on the internet. Smileys are very useful for conveying extra meaning, such as humor or sarcasm. Normal people don't use /s :)

Your comment makes a weak case for this special symbol need, since it uses the :) smiley rather than the "Unicode Smiley"

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by DanBC »

Drakim wrote: post #31
oblio wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because those "funny" symbols are needed in concise, informal communication on the internet. Smileys are very useful for conveying extra meaning, such as humor or sarcasm. Normal people don't use /s :)

Your comment makes a weak case for this special symbol need, since it uses the :) smiley rather than the "Unicode Smiley"

HN filters some Unicode. Parent post may have used an emoji that got filtered out.

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by beefhash »

madaxe_again wrote: post #18
CPLX wrote: post #16

I wonder if this means they will stop autocorrecting to the word "ducking" as well.

Why the duck would they? This shut never gets old - almost a clbuttic.

You graduated comedy school with magna semen laude, didn't you?

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

DanBC wrote: post #20
bentpins wrote: post #10

It is allready implemented in Windows 10, although it doesn't scale down well. I'd paste it here but HN doesn't seem to support Unicode emoji, which is odd

One of the reasons is that people were cramming unicode into submission titles. This is why we can't have nice things. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10156894#up_10157836

I recall a thread where the title used Unicode bold text - can't find it now, was curious how HN handled archived threads with Unicode.

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

#35

Post by huuu »

cnvogel wrote: post #4

The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0 Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs -- Range: 1F300–1F5FF http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf Chart Page 4 at Codepoint 0x1f595 Description on Page 14: Hand symbols 1F595 REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED https://codepoints.net/U+1F595 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f595/index.htm

Edit: mmm HN doesnt allow posting or can't save the UTF-8 middle finger..

Edit2: It appears that HN is blocking most unicode chars because people used it for spammy titles.

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by amelius »

aaron695 wrote: post #27

This is a symbol that will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years. If not much much more. The fact it's even in discussion if it should be there is a huge free flow of speech rights issue. I'd like to think if you're on hn you see the problems around the fact this was not there years ago. I want a world were people can communicate exactly as they wish. Not by a standard, especially a standard with mor…

Because before emoticons, there was no free speech?

Also, this may be informative: [1]

Finally, you may be right that this finger symbol will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years, but I suspect that often it will end the conversation. Hence the symbol may be considered as part of "speech" but it will certainly not aid "communication".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by userbinator »

omginternets wrote: post #30
aaron695 wrote: post #27

This is a symbol that will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years. If not much much more. The fact it's even in discussion if it should be there is a huge free flow of speech rights issue. I'd like to think if you're on hn you see the problems around the fact this was not there years ago. I want a world were people can communicate exactly as they wish. Not by a standard, especially a standard with mor…

I don't disagree with the premise that free speech is important, but it's hard to argue that the absence of a middle-finger emoji is preventing people from being nasty to each other on the internet. This changes nothing of consequence (but I personally see no reason not to include it).

Indeed, people were already using _|_ before that. (I vaguely remember a bit of Haskell humour around using that sequence of characters...)

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

aaron695 wrote: post #27

This is a symbol that will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years. If not much much more. The fact it's even in discussion if it should be there is a huge free flow of speech rights issue. I'd like to think if you're on hn you see the problems around the fact this was not there years ago. I want a world were people can communicate exactly as they wish. Not by a standard, especially a standard with mor…

...what?

Are you opposed to any text format that does not allow user-defined characters?

(Although perhaps you should be if you're a Chinese speaker and have to suffer for applications' poor lack of support for more obscure characters.)

Re: Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

huuu wrote: post #35
cnvogel wrote: post #4

The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0 Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs -- Range: 1F300–1F5FF http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf Chart Page 4 at Codepoint 0x1f595 Description on Page 14: Hand symbols 1F595 REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED https://codepoints.net/U+1F595 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f595/index.htm

Edit: mmm HN doesnt allow posting or can't save the UTF-8 middle finger.. Edit2: It appears that HN is blocking most unicode chars because people used it for spammy titles.

That's correct, I asked about it recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10156894
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