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Post by mattkevan »

Thimothy wrote: post #737
etchalon wrote: post #714

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So 3D Touch is something Android has? This is mostly a tongue-in-cheek comment, but the broader point is that of course Apple has "innovated" since the original iPhone, iPad, iWhatever. In some big ways, and in some small ways. But so have other players in the industry. Apple has borrowed some good ideas from them, just as they have borrowed good ideas from Apple. However saying Apple hasn't innovated since those ori…

Actually... It does. Huawei did a demo about it a few months ago. http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-ha... It's okay to live inside a ecosystem, but don't pretend to know what happens outside it.

There's a world of difference between a demo – and an 'very limited indeed' implementation, and a flagship feature supported at a deep level by the OS.

Force touch on Android will never get anywhere until it's specifically supported by Google (who unless I'm mistaken, haven't included it in M), and the install rate is high enough to make it worthwhile. I'm sure more OEMs will include it, but individually they won't have the clout to make it go anywhere.

It's a bit like the argument around NFC. My Nexus 6 has it, but until M is released with Google Pay, it's pretty much useless. Apple waited until they had a compelling use-case, and only then included it. I would not be surprised if the use of NFC is far higher on iOS than Android.

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Post by 72deluxe »

mythz wrote: post #402
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I think the one important thing that Microsoft's approach has over Apple's is file management. File management is horrible on iOS.

File Systems is also a complexity that confuses a lot of non-technical people, which is why Apple tries to hide that one even exists on iOS - Where can I find the latest document I was working on? Just open the app you created it with, as a bonus you'll get transparent syncing across all your devices. Syncing and Backup are tedial tasks most people wouldn't do if they needed to do it manually or configure an external…

Don't you end up with multiple copies of a source file if you open in app A, share with B, share with C from app A, modify in B?

Does app A's copy get updated with app B's modifications?

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Post by qubex »

72deluxe wrote: post #756
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I think this is the angle of attack that Apple is taking here. They want to catch up to the handwriting and sketching abilities of Surface, but they don't want a hybrid OS. In a lot of ways the Surface is a laptop with a detachable keyboard and the OS and eco system is still based on that. Apple wants their eco system to develop from a clean touch OS base into productivity areas. Having said that, they are really lag…

Out of interest, are Surfaces gaining in popularity in the business world?? I do not mix with sufficient business types (I associate with penny pinchers who scoff at buying cheap Windows laptops and gag when anything Apple comes along). My brother-in-law will probably love this iPad Pro as he is a financial advisor and spends a lot of time getting quotes from websites, so he loves his iPad. He hates his MacBook Pro a…

No filesystem access infuriates me.

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Post by 72deluxe »

untog wrote: post #439
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Apple's primary focus is on UX simplicity and Customers couldn't care less how it's implemented behind the scenes, they just want to get stuff done, find the Word document they were working on or see the Photo or Video they just took. The less Customers have to know about how technology works the happier they are, and the more successful Apple is.

Say you're composing an e-mail and you want to attach a Word doc you downloaded - how do you do that on an iPad?

Even better - you're on a job website that wants your CV. How do you upload the file using the HTML forms interface?

On iPad it just DISAPPEARS. You can't upload a file.

That's why every job company has their own app harvesting your data, and it requires scores of bulky apps to get around the simple HTML form omission. Insane.

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Post by anjc »

gress wrote: post #657
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If Apple had made the Surface Pro (which hasn't existed for very long) before Microsoft then it would have been the next in that line of major innovations. They didn't, because of a lack of foresight, but the opportunity to create it was readily available.

The surface pro is a failure. Apple didn't make a pro tablet earlier because they understood the correct time to introduce such a product.

By what metrics is it a failure? Because when I last looked at Microsoft's financial statements, their revenue was up due to the Surface (Profit was down for unrelated reasons).

I'm assuming you haven't used a Surface Pro but you can mark my words now, Apple will release a direct copy of the Surface within 3 years. The iPad Pro is a glorified iPad and will be utterly unusable for doing anything professional, so it's not a copy at this stage.

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Post by 72deluxe »

relaytheurgency wrote: post #187
slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

The Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro is basically the Android version of the new Apple device. I own one, albeit not for enterprise purposes, and it's not very well executed. I could never imagine using such a stripped down interface as my primary work device. People use Surfaces here all the time for whatever that's worth, it's a valid device choice option.

I have a Note 2014 edition and like you, I feel it is clunky by comparison.

I really wanted to love it but lame battery life in comparison to a three-year old iPad3 and the inability of S Note to ignore my hand motions and not do zooming when I move my hand irritates me. Coupled with worse performance than the iPad3, and I have the LTE edition of the Note. I can only imagine how stuttery and slow the non-LTE edition is (which uses an 8 core chip and got rubbish performance reviews).

Using Google Maps in 3D mode gives me framerates like viewing a compressed VNC session over an SSH link on a Raspberry Pi over a 2G GSM connection. Slow.

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Post by 72deluxe »

dendory wrote: post #621
slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

Yet at the end of the day, the CEO will overrule the IT's multiples productivity arguments and tell them to get him an iPad Pro because it's Apple, because his Golf buddy told him today's presentation was awesome and because he is very satisfied with his iPhone.

Sad but true. Do you feel like a pawn in a giant chess game sometimes?

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Post by 72deluxe »

bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

Also, let's hope the new Apple TV supports HDMI CEC so I don't need to tell the TV to change to another device!

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Post by 72deluxe »

bobbles wrote: post #503
austenallred wrote: post #189

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> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying a Macbook Air. Apple has dozens of devices for dozens of use cases and types of buyers. I would never use the new MacBook (not good enough specs), and most of HN thinks it's a terrible idea. But my wife loves it. She doesn't need to run a virtual…

Yeah I can't wait for this guy to go buy his macbook air and start doing all his fancy graphic design on its non-touch non-retina screen. Obviously the same use cases for both products!

Perhaps there is a market for a stylus/pen for touchpads?

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Post by 72deluxe »

cake wrote: post #192
bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

I agree, so much useless stuff here. Long gone are the days when Apple produced powerful and exciting new Macs. Now they are catching up and behind... I think my next computer will be a PC again.

What new features would you like though? I can't think of anything I am missing on modern OSes and devices. (Until someone releases something that I use every day of course...)

I would agree with the sibling comment here - the PC market isn't that great at the moment

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