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I'm Begging for Work
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#132looked for 7 years for a job in IT, got one now in it security.... earn less that i did in factory work stackin boxes and preparing orders... :D welcome to life!
theres tons of sites where u can get freelance work easily (truelancer? not sure if it good ,but sites like that can be helpful), if you then get a reputation on there it's ok for some extra money. lots of requests for web/api work to, sounds right up ur alley! on the other hand, u can always look for a job outside of IT. it's perhaps not your dream job ,but money is money. if u need it there's lots of different ways to get it! (legally... not suggesting anyhting bad!)
what helped me a lot when i wasn't in IT yet was to get stuff like forklift licence etc. ,that kind of work there always is and it's enough to pay for food and rent for a modest living place. if u then get something 'steady' outside of IT you can start looking of that dream job again ,but this time with less stress which will yield better results. (stress is reflected in meetings job interviews etc. ,so going for that awsome job, you might want to get into a bit more relaxed space before you apply.)
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you have done this in the past, and it is blackmail. And I understand that you don't want to see yourself as a blackmailer. "I'm more worth than that" and leaving is standing up. "Give me more money or I leave" is blackmail. "Regarding your Wikipedia quote, leaving a job in which you are abused and underpaid is not at all unjustified." Leaving is not the blackmail part, threatening to leave is the blac…
First, blackmail is about information, so if anything it would be extortion. And it's not extortion because the "threat" was not wrongful; the boss is not his owner nor is he entitled to his work. The word you're looking for is haggling, and it's a common part of negotiations.
But "give me more money or I'll leave" is a bad way to go about haggling, and is likely to lead to the employee leaving. "I'm worth more than you're paying" is better, even though the employer and employee both know that "and if yu don't pay me more I'll leave" is an unspoken part of that sentence.
HN regularly mentions the book "how to win friends and influence people" or talks about hacking various interpersonal processes.
This is just an interpersonal hack. Saying "give me more money or I'll leave" causes many - but admittedly not all - managers to respond with "go ahead and leave then", even when the manager knows that replacing the leavig employee will require a higher wage than the employee is currently getting and some expenditure on the recruitment process.
People are not rational and they do mot make rational decisions. We know that management, and recruitment, is very broken.
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#134I can't be the only person who wants to know what company could have abused an employee like this, if only to never apply to them or help support whatever godawful business they're trying to run.
How was he abused? He got a reasonable salary for someone with no prior experience or education.
He was led on with the promise of a better salary.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
He blackmailed his boss, used f* f* f* in a conversation with him and you think "hink he's shown himself to have good character here."? Holy Batman.
@nilkin "You give me more money or I leave." vs. Just walking away from the negotiation. From my experience if you give in to "You give me more money or I leave" 6 months down the road it will be another "You give me more money or I leave" and then another. Wikipedia: "Blackmail is an act [..] involving unjustified threats to make [..] cause loss to another unless a demand is met."
How is that blackmailing? It's negotiating salary. If you can't pay me a livable wage- or a wage that I am worth- I'll look for a job somewhere else.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you've had a bad experience with a former employee, but this is not blackmail. That's just standing up for himself. The OP was working there contingent on his boss's promise of a raise, and both parties knew this, including the boss. In fact, the OP was remarkably generous towards his boss by doing something very foolish: knowingly taking an unlivable wage out of trust that the boss would live up to hi…
It sounds like you have done this in the past, and it is blackmail. And I understand that you don't want to see yourself as a blackmailer. "I'm more worth than that" and leaving is standing up. "Give me more money or I leave" is blackmail. "Regarding your Wikipedia quote, leaving a job in which you are abused and underpaid is not at all unjustified." Leaving is not the blackmail part, threatening to leave is the blac…
No, it's not blackmail. It's a salary negotiation.
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#137Sorry to double post in this thread, but I just realized something. You should consult an employment lawyer. Your former boss may actually be liable for improper dismissal. It really depends a lot on the situation and the laws in your area.
Any good lawyer in this area will give you a free consultation. This is not legal advice and I am not a lawyer. A qualified lawyer will be able to determine the possible merits of the case. It is not unusual to sue your past employer in these kinds of cases. In some areas it is very common.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I shall never utter the dreaded F word to my boss. I will to my boss be true and faithful and love all which he loves and shun all which he shuns. Also please explain where he 'blackmailed' his boss?
You can do what you like, but if you swear at me and call me f* I'll not hire you.
He used the f* word in a specific context. And can you answer when did he blackmail his boss?
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#139As a manager if someone tries to blackmail me with leaving, I usually say "Then leave". Never let people blackmail you. Would I hire someone who swears and uses f* in a conversation with his boss? No. Would I hire someone who creates a blog to make his boss look bad? No. All of this with 4 kids I surely would not trust on you any responsibibility acting so irresponsible. So everyone here who wants to hire this guy, a…
Without any context, I might agree. But...
> As a manager if someone tries to blackmail me with leaving, I usually say "Then leave". Never let people blackmail you.
With the assumption that he fulfilled all his duties at work (i.e. good work performance), there is nothing wrong with asking to be paid close to / comparable to his peers.
Salary contention is the easiest to fix. If you let go everyone who asks for a raise, then either your company is paying way below market rate or it is simply an excuse to get out of the organisation.
> Would I hire someone who swears and uses f* in a conversation with his boss? No.
I agree, but what I get is that the conversation happened via email exchanges. It wasn't clear whether the f* was directed at the CEO / boss or something outside of the conversation (i.e. venting).
> Would I hire someone who creates a blog to make his boss look bad? No.
He's obviously desperate to find a way out of a bad situation, thus the cry for help.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you've had a bad experience with a former employee, but this is not blackmail. That's just standing up for himself. The OP was working there contingent on his boss's promise of a raise, and both parties knew this, including the boss. In fact, the OP was remarkably generous towards his boss by doing something very foolish: knowingly taking an unlivable wage out of trust that the boss would live up to hi…
It sounds like you have done this in the past, and it is blackmail. And I understand that you don't want to see yourself as a blackmailer. "I'm more worth than that" and leaving is standing up. "Give me more money or I leave" is blackmail. "Regarding your Wikipedia quote, leaving a job in which you are abused and underpaid is not at all unjustified." Leaving is not the blackmail part, threatening to leave is the blac…
It's called negotiation.
I can see how it might seem threatening to someone who feels threatened by the thought of an employee standing up for himself.