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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by dendory »

slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

Yet at the end of the day, the CEO will overrule the IT's multiples productivity arguments and tell them to get him an iPad Pro because it's Apple, because his Golf buddy told him today's presentation was awesome and because he is very satisfied with his iPhone.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by spiralpolitik »

bduerst wrote: post #595
npunt wrote: post #581

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Market changes - POS credit card machines were scheduled to be phased out in favor of chips and NFC by EOY2015 [1]. Apple Pay didn't come out of the blue. The impending POS infrastructure change created the opportunity to launch a better payments user experience in the 2014-2015 timeframe. Apple knew this, and developed/acquired/refined a better security method (touchID + tokenization) and corresponding user experien…

That's not quite right. That article is about chip & pin only, and not about NFC. Apple made the business decision to build their own payments system and lock merchants in using Passbook, rather than use NFC, which is more open. When it comes to market adoption of hardware, typically the market leader gets picked up for adoption. By forcing their own version of mobile payments (passbook) and not allowing NFC, the mar…

That's not quite right either.

Apple Pay does not require Apple-specific contactless payment terminals and will work with Visa's PayWave, MasterCard's PayPass, and American Express's ExpressPay terminals.

So merchants are not "locked in" to passbook.

The reason for Apple Pay success is that they worked with the companies in question so that the infrastructure was already in place when the phone was launched. I was in the UK the week of the Apple Pay launch there and the same terminals that 3 months prior were accepting my contactless card were now accepting my iPhone.

In other words it just worked.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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m_mueller wrote: post #602
acqq wrote: post #582

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Yes, to compare, Surface Pro 3 still has the fan(!) but even so twice as little pixels. Surface 3 Pro: 12.0 inches (30 cm) 2160x1440 (216 ppi) = 3 M pixels and the noisy fan iPad Pro: 12.9-inch 2732-by-2048 resolution at 264 pixels per inch (ppi) = 5.5 M pixels (!) and no fan

Also let's not forget the better aspect ratio of the iPad - this has always been my biggest gripe with the Surface besides the IMO terrible UX of Win8. Win10 could become a much better deal if they can pull off Desktop / Touch UI integration properly, so far there are still many edge cases to fix from what I hear. On the other hand, as long as we don't know how good the Apple pencil is for writing (e.g. palm recognit…

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by x0 »

code_sterling wrote: post #614
qyv wrote: post #552

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The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

If there were a fully functional iTerm2 port with the capability to remap caps to escape on a Bluetooth keyboard, I'd never need a laptop again.

iTerm2, goddamn. It's the reason I use OS X.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by x0 »

code_sterling wrote: post #614
qyv wrote: post #552

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The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

If there were a fully functional iTerm2 port with the capability to remap caps to escape on a Bluetooth keyboard, I'd never need a laptop again.

iTerm2, goddamn. It's the reason I use OS X.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jcl »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #240
hashberry wrote: post #207

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And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

In all fairness I know many people who love to draw on the Surface and really wanted a more precise pen type of input on the iPad; I think this was a long time coming and really necessary. The keyboard cover thing? Sure I could agree with you on that. I actually think Surface did a better job with it especially with the adjustable kickstand but we'll see when I can actually touch and play with the iPad Pro one.

The stylus is interesting in that it's a total about-face for Apple. So far as I can tell, no Apple store has ever stocked an iPhone- or iPad-compatible stylus -- not the cheap capacitive ones nor even the iPad-exclusive pressure-sensitive Wacom stylus for artists, despite stocking Wacom tablets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by m_mueller »

[deleted] wrote: post #623
m_mueller wrote: post #602

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Also let's not forget the better aspect ratio of the iPad - this has always been my biggest gripe with the Surface besides the IMO terrible UX of Win8. Win10 could become a much better deal if they can pull off Desktop / Touch UI integration properly, so far there are still many edge cases to fix from what I hear. On the other hand, as long as we don't know how good the Apple pencil is for writing (e.g. palm recognit…

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iPad has always had 4:3. And it's still quite a difference between the two, 3:2 still feels very strange when you hold it in portrait. Holding A4 paper in portrait makes this even more obvious.

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Post by cezarywojcik »

qyv wrote: post #552
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

I got a Surface Pro 3 almost exclusively for using OneNote on it. It's pretty great for that, but having Windows in the way was sometimes annoying. The Surface is capable of a lot more than I do with it, but I have my MacBook for everything that isn't handwriting. The iPad Pro is exactly what I wanted - a device for writing down notes, sketching designs, and doing so seamlessly without the "bloat" of a full OS in the way.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by Encosia »

georgerobinson wrote: post #344
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #337

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Surface Pro 3 has a fan, this doesn't. That's a big difference that I would pay a bit more for (I actually went with a surface 3 just for this reason). The screen is also higher res, I'm guessing the unit is lighter also. Looks like it might be time for a surface pro 4 though, so let's see.

I must say I sat opposite someone on the train the other week and thought "what is that noise?". It turned out to be his Surface Pro. I'm not sure whether he was doing anything particularly intensive or just checking email, but the fact that it was audible above the typical noise of a train put me off ever wanting to buy one. Imagine trying to read or watch a movie in bed with that whirring going on!

Out of the box, a Surface Pro 3 definitely does not spin up the fan just checking email, unless you're checking email with Chrome. Gmail on Chrome ended up being more resource intensive than Office or Visual Studio on my SP3.

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Post by mythz »

untog wrote: post #615
mythz wrote: post #604

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The Mail App features can. If the feature was considered important enough to complicate the UI there'd be an option or optimized App for the task, otherwise no-one thought it was important or cared enough to support it.

Right, Apple decided it wasn't important so that means it isn't important? Being on an e-mail thread where someone says "hey, can you e-mail over that spreadsheet?" is hardly rare. Things like this are the reason why the iPad has not been a huge success as a productivity tool.

> Right, Apple decided it wasn't important so that means it isn't important?

I was referring to all Mail Apps, I don't even use Apple Mail, I use Gmail. Yes Apple decides what's important in their App, Google decides what's important in theirs, Everyone else decides...

> Being on an e-mail thread where someone says "hey, can you e-mail over that spreadsheet?" is hardly rare.

You can still send spreadsheet attachments, open said Spread sheet, hit share attachment, Done. Go back to playing games.

> iPad has not been a huge success as a productivity tool.

So catering for a smaller class of enterprise and power users should be the holy metric Apple should be catering for? Apple has OSX for power users, iOS for everyone else. That strategy seems to be working quite well for them.

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