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Post by dragonwriter »

Jerry2 wrote: post #605
slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

>I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. If that were true, SP3 should have been a huge hit by now. It's not.

> > I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices.

> If that were true, SP3 should have been a huge hit by now.

That doesn't follow.

"Is going to" does not imply "has" and "has" does not imply "has, and also the market in general has already realized and responded to this fact".

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Post by fillskills »

numbsafari wrote: post #571
qyv wrote: post #552

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The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

Yeah, I'm with the other commenter. I would still be using my iPad for development, except for the fact that I found the 9.5" screen to be just too limiting. The other reason was that all the bluetooth keyboards require a separate cable for charging, which I hate. The larger screen and the fact that they keyboard cover is powered by the tablet itself makes this super compelling. Not for my "every day development" mac…

May I ask what kind of development tools are available on the ipad? What is the dev workflow? I am very interested in this and hope this becomes more and more common as tablets evolve to support development. But havent seen anything serious enough yet.

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Post by dmoy »

jamra wrote: post #512
hashberry wrote: post #207

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And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

Apple strives with the nuances of its hardware. It's not necessarily how innovative and unique the product is, but the strength at which Apple secures the most unique hardware that sets them apart from the competition. Their touch sensors are different than everyone else's in supporting multi strength touches. They have good battery life with larger than HD displays. The device weights 1.5 lbs, which is much lighter…

It is about 14% lighter.

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Post by code_sterling »

qyv wrote: post #552
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

If there were a fully functional iTerm2 port with the capability to remap caps to escape on a Bluetooth keyboard, I'd never need a laptop again.

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Post by untog »

mythz wrote: post #604
untog wrote: post #583

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Can those options reply to an existing email chain?

The Mail App features can. If the feature was considered important enough to complicate the UI there'd be an option or optimized App for the task, otherwise no-one thought it was important or cared enough to support it.

Right, Apple decided it wasn't important so that means it isn't important?

Being on an e-mail thread where someone says "hey, can you e-mail over that spreadsheet?" is hardly rare. Things like this are the reason why the iPad has not been a huge success as a productivity tool.

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Post by cma »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #466
CamperBob2 wrote: post #325

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Walled garden, Panopticon, what's the difference.

I don't think it's particularly hard to see the distinction between "do whatever you feel like, but someone will write down that you did" and "no, you can't do that. You'll do what we tell you to do".

The set of things the MS records is much broader than the set of things Apple bans.

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Post by _Ogre »

code_sterling wrote: post #614
qyv wrote: post #552

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The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

If there were a fully functional iTerm2 port with the capability to remap caps to escape on a Bluetooth keyboard, I'd never need a laptop again.

Coda is very nice and comes very close to being my perfect remote admin app. Keyboard support is arguably the one weak spot though.

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Post by wwweston »

mythz wrote: post #510
wwweston wrote: post #483

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The key part of that last statement is have to . You're right that as a matter of routine, having recent documents worked with in an app come up on opening it (and an easy visual list of all the files the app has touched) is a great interaction pattern. That says nothing about whether or not there should be some kind of file browser, or other means for users to become aware and able to interact with files outside an…

No the key part is what target audience and use-cases are they optimizing for with each device. Do they want to create an experience that's so simple to use that they're enjoyed by both kids and non-technical grand parents, that's optimized for the most common everyday tasks, e.g browsing the web, shopping, reading news, books, taking photos, finding driving directions, writing emails, etc. Or do they want to offer a…

> No the key part is what target audience and use-cases are they optimizing for with each device.

What if, as in the URL example I gave, there are multiple overlapping target audiences?

Of course you optimize the common case. The question is whether in the process you're going to decide to ignore or eliminate discoverability in less common cases. Don't use "audience" as an excuse to be lazy about them.

And both mobile and desktop are general computing devices with a wide range of abilities. Deciding mobile is the PlaySkool version is itself an oversimplification.

> Apple's felicitous focus on simplicity and Customer use-cases that's what's made them the most successful company in the world

One can learn a lot from their success. It hasn't them perfect. They still make some poor or even user-hostile decisions.

Their success does, however, seem to render some people less inclined to think critically about their choices.

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Post by tammer »

fillskills wrote: post #612
numbsafari wrote: post #571

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Yeah, I'm with the other commenter. I would still be using my iPad for development, except for the fact that I found the 9.5" screen to be just too limiting. The other reason was that all the bluetooth keyboards require a separate cable for charging, which I hate. The larger screen and the fact that they keyboard cover is powered by the tablet itself makes this super compelling. Not for my "every day development" mac…

May I ask what kind of development tools are available on the ipad? What is the dev workflow? I am very interested in this and hope this becomes more and more common as tablets evolve to support development. But havent seen anything serious enough yet.

Working Copy[1] is the first app I've seen to come along and really change the situation. A pretty glaring limitation of previous solutions was reliance on SSH for git control. Working Copy provides a great subset of git tools graphically. It's got a great editor, and lets you bounce files into any editor you please to be committed when appropriate.

Coda[2] for iOS is also very compelling for a number of tasks, most importantly web development with a live preview. Editorial[3] is worth mentioning as well for it's deep customizability and scriptability.

So, the workflow is still pretty reliant on a desktop or VPS somewhere but the tools are becoming much cleaner and more integrated along the newer app communication features of iOS.

[1]: http://workingcopyapp.com [2]: https://panic.com/coda-ios/ [3]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/editorial/id673907758?mt=8

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Post by dendory »

nawitus wrote: post #368
zerohm wrote: post #300

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Yes, they are playing catch up in the cover keyboard and stylus categories. However, they are still dominating mobile, revamping their TV line, and growing in a shrinking PC market. Oh and also they just released a pretty successful watch. Just saying, I think Apple is still a pretty innovative company.

How do you define dominating mobile? There are far more Android smartphones.

Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind.

Apple makes more profit than any phone company in the world, by a very large margin.

That == Dominating mobile.

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