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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

"since at least it runs a real operating system designed for "pro" use not the closed eco system that is iOS." So, if a big ipad like this is a "pro" device, where does a fully functional computing device, running UNIX, that you interact with on the command line fit in ? I'm speaking of (for instance) my mac pro running OSX. If what we see today is for "pros", then two questions come to mind: 1. What am I ? A wizard…

It's 'pro' within the segment it's in, which is the tablet segment, not the laptop or desktop segment. Just like if they come out with an iPhone with power-user features for professional/enterprise usage, it's reasonably to call it a 'pro' line within the phone segment, without necessarily implying it's a more functional device than say a fully fledged desktop called a Mac Pro. I don't really see the issue but I get what you're saying.

And it does have some of that functionality, from a large screen, type cover keyboard, stylus to multi-tasking. That's not 'pro' in all industries (e.g. in software it's not), but if you're in marketing or say one-on-one tutoring or sales, I can imagine there are professional use cases reasonably enough to call it 'pro'.

Either way I'm not really convinced, still feels like a terribly niche item, not really useful to most professionals (who'd I'd think, prefer light laptops and/or small tablets in combination with a growing presence of now ~5 inch phones and smartwatches) either. Sure it's a nice device but is it going to turn around tablet sales for Apple? I'm not convinced. I just don't see a 13 inch screen beating say the MBAs or Surface 2s of the world.

Mostly I just feel like expensive tablets are a thing of the past. Tablets kind of filled this niche role in between phones and laptops, until phones became bigger (4 years ago the iPhone was 3.5 inches, then 4 inches, then 4.7 and now the biggest is 5.5), and laptops became not necessarily much smaller (although they did, 11 and 12 inch form factors are super popular, versus the more traditional 15 and 17, or the old 12' powerbooks with huge bezels that are bigger than 15 inch macbooks today), but much, much lighter and with solid battery life and SSD ubiquity. I just feel there's no real room anymore for expensive tablets, there's still room (1) very niche uses and (2) dirt cheap tablets, plenty of room for a random 'good enough' tablet for at home to read the news that don't cost $800. I mean hell the freaking keyboard is $170, the pencil $100 and the tablet $800, obviously you want cellular, too, as a pro user, that's $1080. So now we're at $1350 for an iPad pro with a keyboard and stylus that's still sub-par to other solutions. Anyway I don't have many doubts I'll be proven wrong, they don't just build random stuff without a ton of focus group data and conversations with business users, but I'm not really seeing it right now.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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The really galling part is the total refusal to admit they're not doing anything innovative. "There has never been another product like the iPad Pro before" was a real quote from today's presentation, and is a complete falsehood.

It's marketing. And when it comes to marketing its far more true than that Lynx will get you laid (lol), or that some new detergent will revolutionaze how clean your clothes are, or that some GAP clothes will make you part of the "in" crowd. It's also depends on the level we're talking. If we just take "product like the iPad pro" to mean "a large tablet" then yes it's a "complete falsehood". But it obviously means "a…

> It's marketing. And when it comes to marketing its far more true than that Lynx will get you laid (lol), or that some new detergent will revolutionaze how clean your clothes are, or that some GAP clothes will make you part of the "in" crowd.

Yes. It's marketing - the magic context in which we suspend our disbelief and let people lie to our faces, and we then applaud and pay them.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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What professional applications require ios?

I had an insurance adjuster at my house to evaluate hail damage earlier this year and he did everything on an iPad. My doctor uses an iPad for Medscape (? not sure if that's right) and some other mobile point of care app. My mother in law is a real estate agent and her office uses iPads for everything. There's a ton of them and it's a very hot area right now. It's a great time to be an iOS developer.

It's worth noting that some (probably most) of these aren't iOS exclusives; I've had Medscape on quite a few of my Android devices over the last couple years, for example.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

If innovation were what mattered, everyone would be browsing with Opera.

WorldWideWeb was the most inovative Web browser. Opera just copied it.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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The functionality is available within the context of the feature you're using. If it's a Word document you open the document, click the share icon and click "Send Attachment". Apple's Pages also has a Share icon that even lets you easily convert to Word, PDF, or ePub format before sending. For attaching whilst composing an email in Gmail (what I use) there's an "Attach" icon that lets you attach photos or files from…

And does that sound user friendly to you?

It's extremely intuitive, I didn't recall how to do any of them but I knew I'd be able to find out in the context of using each App.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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It is in direct competition to the 'Surface Pro'.

Except it runs iOS and not a full desktop operating system. Why would a "pro" user choose this over a surface pro/MBP/ubuntu certified system?

I own a Surface Pro 3 and I will be buying an iPad pro. The Surface Pro 3 for Visual Studio, and the iPad Pro for music production. The markets are completely different.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Speaking as an artist who uses the Surface Pro 3 for all of my work, an iPad Pro will be useless without the right software. And as great as Procreate might be, it's not Photoshop and will never be Photoshop. Without the ability to run full desktop apps, this would never be much more than a toy for me.

I sympathize with this, although playing devils advocate ... if adobe has web-based photoshop (which I think they do ?) then does it matter ?

You may be able to run two apps side by side on the iPad now, but you wont be able to instantly alt/cmd+tab between the fully capable PC versions of Photoshop, Illustrator, Lightroom, Chrome running 50 tabs, 500 page Word document, while rendering something, while powering 2 or 3 external monitors if needs be. It's a completely different paradigm in terms of productivity for artists and so on.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

The starbucks full of students typing out reports on iPads with bluetooth keyboards begs to differ. I mean, obviousy, you can't do all work on an iPad, but for a certain class of "work" it works fine.
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