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It's pretty easy to install other desktop environments on Ubuntu. I run with xfce because I just need a taskbar to keep track of my terminal windows.
Have you tried a tiling wm? I use i3, it's great :-)
Security Experts... let me quote Linus Torvalds: "the security community tends to be very black and white. Either it's security or it's not. And if it is security, they care deeply. And if it is not, they don't care." So who cares if you write your email in text mode but browse the web with Chrome/Firefox? No offense against Mutt... I can understand that some terminal pros like it but I cannot understand using it for…
I used to use mutt (now i use mu4e) and indeed i do not own a mobile phone capable of more than GSM. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, HTML rendering works fine in mutt and mu4e (although perhaps this opens me up to various nefarious things). I don't do this because i'm a security expert (i'm not), i just love speed (so AJAX and fancypants websites are out for me, i'll use the terminal or Emacs where possible) and the ke…
The trouble is that most people who say this end up doing 6 things that take 200 ms each (with the keyboard) instead of 1 thing that takes 1 second (with the mouse), and feel like they're zooming along in hyperspace. You feel like a leet hacker, but are you really getting anything done more efficiently?
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Do you apply an extreme minimalist styling to other areas of your daily life - like "there's no need to clothes to be any other colour than gray"? or "there's no need for food to have a flavour as long as it's nutritious". Genuine question. Most people use some form of flourish even in handwriting - an underline, all-caps, increased letter size or spacing, a personally preferred colour; isn't it weird to not have the…
I looked down and I am indeed wearing a plain grey t-shirt. I wouldn't tell people to not wear anything other than gray though. I wouldn't tell people to not eat food and switch to soylent completely. I'm sorry if I appeared to push my viewpoint. That was not my intention. I apologize for my lack of communication skills. I was merely expressing a personal preference. I just wonder why documents that need rich text fo…
I think there is a tendency for minimalists to feel that others should conform to[wards] their ideal, whilst there are many aesthetics and there doesn't appear to be a logical reason to choose one above another [in the general case] - one man's cluttered is another's functional, or whatever.
Way back in KDE3 days I was looking for a MUA to move to from Opera Mail and was auditioning KMail, the devs insisted that the display should not be allowed to handle sending HTML emails as a matter of principle. Since then it's been a bit of a touchy subject for me ...
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I agree with you here. Further, I'll add that it being 100kloc and not Thunderbird etc tells us nothing about its security. It will have plenty of flaws that show up when hackers decide it's worth the time just maybe less. I do like simple, console apps for all the security tech I can easily use with them. Doubt the mutt users are doing that outside MAC, jails, etc. But just using mutt is giving up much usability and…
Honestly, depending on what you're comparing to, i consider mutt a step forward in terms of usability. How long does your search for a specific email take using the Gmail interface? I bet it's longer than using an indexing backend like notmuch or mu locally :)
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What's wrong with Thunderbird? Note that if you use it as an IMAP client for Gmail, that Gmail's IMAP implementation is -as I understand it- kinda bad, so you're gonna kinda have a bad time.
It's slow, it's bugged (occasionally it just spins up and uses 100% CPU for hours – or until your battery runs out, or you kill it), and most importantly, its keyboard workflow is poor.
Try the Nostalgy add-on.
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I also use mu4e, and i'm curious, why do you switch to Mail.app for composing? I love the fact that all my editor customisations (of which there are many) are still there when i'm writing email.
To each their own, obviously, but this does seem profoundly weird. I can't imagine anyone choosing an Emacs-based mua and not using the editing ability for composing mail.
I did give mu4e a go, i.e. for writing emails, and I never got to a point where it really appealed to me. I do love it, though, for reading and managing my tens of thousands of email messages. It's also nice that I can easily create links to messages in mu4e, which I can include in my org-mode files.
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Honestly, depending on what you're comparing to, i consider mutt a step forward in terms of usability. How long does your search for a specific email take using the Gmail interface? I bet it's longer than using an indexing backend like notmuch or mu locally :)
I just tried a search in Gmail. Took a fraction of a second. I tried one in Claws email client which pulls local copies of the emails. Happened instantly as you predicted. Caching speeds up search indeed. Now, what does a fraction of a second improvement on search have to do with security and usability of email? That would have very little impact on my choice of email client.
For me, the advantages are: works all over (e.g., i can find out my buddy's apartment address from an email in 2008 even if i'm nowhere near wifi), it's snappy, keyboard-driven (like, really -- Google Mail with their cute mnemonics or Thunderbird with shortcuts don't count), text-only (because i'm a nerd, and perhaps you could argue vague hand-wavey security stuff here), and because i can Elisp my way out of sticky situations. Especially the Elisp.
On that last point, you might well contend that if i used an email client to your liking i wouldn't need to Elisp my way out of anything, but i think that's beside the point. For the first time in years (i've been using mu4e for a year now, and before that mutt, starting 2006) i've actually been able to make my client do exactly what i want using a real programming language -- certain formatting hacks, PGP to certain people in certain circumstances, email address completion the way i want it, etc.
But anyway, it's probably not for everyone :). There's also no such thing as a "best" email client, probably -- i'm just partial to the create-your-own-MUA kit that i've found in mu4e :).
This is waaaay off-topic though, i'm not even talking about mutt any more. Sorry, i got a little carried away :).
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I used to use mutt (now i use mu4e) and indeed i do not own a mobile phone capable of more than GSM. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, HTML rendering works fine in mutt and mu4e (although perhaps this opens me up to various nefarious things). I don't do this because i'm a security expert (i'm not), i just love speed (so AJAX and fancypants websites are out for me, i'll use the terminal or Emacs where possible) and the ke…
> i just love speed (so AJAX and fancypants websites are out for me, i'll use the terminal or Emacs where possible) and the keyboard. The trouble is that most people who say this end up doing 6 things that take 200 ms each (with the keyboard) instead of 1 thing that takes 1 second (with the mouse), and feel like they're zooming along in hyperspace. You feel like a leet hacker, but are you really getting anything done…
Maybe not, but is that 200ms improvement when using the mouse really worth it if i get all warm and fuzzy-feeling by being able to type something? :p Intangible benefits, yo.
More seriously though, i also feel (personally -- maybe i'm an outlier) like switching from keyboard to mouse and back is a bit of a performance hit, so i tend to concentrate my workflow around the keyboard as much as possible. And yeah, maybe (99% certainly!) i'm not the leetest or fastest h4x0r out there, but at least i'm enjoying myself :).
(i would be curious about an actual test case though -- maybe someone could design a few common tasks to complete using one's favourite HID and compare!)