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I found this video of the burial of the soviet sailors incredibly respectful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWMo7aHDRo&noredirect=1
I wonder how much of it was done as a hedge against the time when this would eventually come out. "Sure, we tried to steal your sunken sub. But look, we played nice."
The missiles were nuclear-tipped, though.
More reading: http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-129_(1960)
> From about 1970-74, the CIA managed to convince the world that billionaire inventor Howard Hughes had decided to invest millions to mine “manganese nodules,” balls of heavy metals that lie on the ocean floor. Via fake press releases, events, technical specs and front companies, the CIA convinced the world that Hughes was leading a new ocean-mining rush. This sounds exactly like James Cameron's astroid mining. I won…
Imagine, after all of the press releases and discussion around manganese nodule harvesting, saying Howard Hughes wasn't interested in mining manganese nodules at all, but sunken Russian ships. You'd be labeled as crazy. First off, people would be asking where the heck you got the idea that something along the lines of manganese nodules could actually be a cover story for the CIA. Then, you'd be slammed for saying things counter to the mainstream narrative. Finally, if you were somehow gaining a lot of traction (but how could you! who even cares about recovering sunken Russian ships) you might get a visit asking for your silence.
I found this video of the burial of the soviet sailors incredibly respectful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWMo7aHDRo&noredirect=1
"And so as we return their mortal remains to the deep, we do so in a way that we hope would have had meaning to them and clothed with a representative portion of the ship on which they served and perished."
I found this video of the burial of the soviet sailors incredibly respectful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWMo7aHDRo&noredirect=1
I wonder how much of it was done as a hedge against the time when this would eventually come out. "Sure, we tried to steal your sunken sub. But look, we played nice."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Kursk_%28K-1...)
It was just 100m depth - a normal dive for professional divers - and i just remember how it was surprising that nothing was done during the next couple days. I mean such paralysis is typical for Russian bureaucratic machine, be it civilian or military (remember Rust?), yet these bangs were obviously easily heard by the listening anti-submarine posts of the Russian Navy ships idling right on top of it and nobody did nothing while waiting for the orders from "the top" and working around the clock trying to cover their a&&es.
So remember not too long ago when James Cameron made a big deal about exploring the Mariana Trench? Makes you wonder what else was down there that we won't find out about for another 40 years.
A similar thing happened when the USS Scorpion sunk. The Navy wanted to check the wreckage and recover or destroy the nuclear warheads, but without tipping-off the Soviets. So they hired Robert Ballard and had him use the cover story of searching for the Titanic. That he actually found it was a nice bonus. So remember not too long ago when James Cameron made a big deal about exploring the Mariana Trench? Makes you wo…
edit: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080602-titan... says Ballard was involved in checking the nuclear reactors of Scorpion and Thresher to make sure they were safe, but that was years after their wrecks were found, and not nuclear warheads.
I found this video of the burial of the soviet sailors incredibly respectful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWMo7aHDRo&noredirect=1
> From about 1970-74, the CIA managed to convince the world that billionaire inventor Howard Hughes had decided to invest millions to mine “manganese nodules,” balls of heavy metals that lie on the ocean floor. Via fake press releases, events, technical specs and front companies, the CIA convinced the world that Hughes was leading a new ocean-mining rush. This sounds exactly like James Cameron's astroid mining. I won…
The most difficult task of discovering these charades is openmindedness. Imagine, after all of the press releases and discussion around manganese nodule harvesting, saying Howard Hughes wasn't interested in mining manganese nodules at all, but sunken Russian ships. You'd be labeled as crazy. First off, people would be asking where the heck you got the idea that something along the lines of manganese nodules could act…
If you were, in this case, claiming it was because the CI was looking for Russian ships - what evidence do you have? Given enough conspiracy theories, at least one will be right. But that one right one shouldn't be accorded any point if there was no reason to believe it over other ideas.
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The most difficult task of discovering these charades is openmindedness. Imagine, after all of the press releases and discussion around manganese nodule harvesting, saying Howard Hughes wasn't interested in mining manganese nodules at all, but sunken Russian ships. You'd be labeled as crazy. First off, people would be asking where the heck you got the idea that something along the lines of manganese nodules could act…
Being openminded isn't much of a start though. How do you narrow down which seemingly-normal things are really facades for something? How do you privilege the hypothesis[1]? If you were, in this case, claiming it was because the CI was looking for Russian ships - what evidence do you have? Given enough conspiracy theories, at least one will be right. But that one right one shouldn't be accorded any point if there was…
And CIA experiments with LSD. Virtually nobody took those stories seriously at the time.