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Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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It is disturbing that the author so lightly morphs a tax exemption into a taxpayer subsidy. As if the natural state of things is for the government to tax everything and whatever it doesn't is being subsidized.

No kidding. "And since bestowing tax exemptions is the same as spending cash from the government’s perspective". I physically shuddered as I read that.

The authors entire argument falls apart right there.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #6
post #5

It is disturbing that the author so lightly morphs a tax exemption into a taxpayer subsidy. As if the natural state of things is for the government to tax everything and whatever it doesn't is being subsidized.

What's the difference between giving you $X that other people don't get, and asking you to pay $X less in taxes that other people have to pay?

Because it's an educational institution. That's the whole point! Harvard gets to have people with no money get degrees from their school for free because of this. It's a wonderful thing for society that they have such a big endowment.

Why anyone would get so money hungry as to attack them is beyond me.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #2

People give these elite colleges and universities a hard time, but I think it is mostly sensational stories with no meat. Do you know how many US schools are need blind and meet full need for all students? 6. [1] I also have no clue where the story about these schools being for rich kids came from. When my wife went to Princeton a few years back it was one of the cheapest options for her! Schools all base need on the…

What would "meat" look like to you? Suppose you were to start "a hedge fund with a university attached to it", in order to use the university's non-profit status to minimize paying taxes. What would that look like? Would you set up need blind admission, in order to provide better cover to justify the hedge fund? The article points out that the non-profit status means that "Princeton received $105,000 in tax benefits…

Am I using the hedge fund profits to buy a yacht, or run a university? If the latter, then good!

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #5

It is disturbing that the author so lightly morphs a tax exemption into a taxpayer subsidy. As if the natural state of things is for the government to tax everything and whatever it doesn't is being subsidized.

> As if the natural state of things is for the government to tax everything and whatever it doesn't is being subsidized.

Why shouldn't everyone pay their share? If I'm paying my share and you aren't paying yours, I'm subsidizing your government services.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #6
post #5

It is disturbing that the author so lightly morphs a tax exemption into a taxpayer subsidy. As if the natural state of things is for the government to tax everything and whatever it doesn't is being subsidized.

What's the difference between giving you $X that other people don't get, and asking you to pay $X less in taxes that other people have to pay?

One difference is that there aren't just two sets in the tax-paying universe.

Another is that this isn't zero sum.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between giving you $X that other people don't get, and asking you to pay $X less in taxes that other people have to pay?

Because it's an educational institution. That's the whole point! Harvard gets to have people with no money get degrees from their school for free because of this. It's a wonderful thing for society that they have such a big endowment. Why anyone would get so money hungry as to attack them is beyond me.

> Harvard gets to have people with no money get degrees from their school for free because of this.

As far as I know, enrollment at Harvard and most other elite institutions skews heavily toward wealthy people.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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When public education needs more money, taxing private education to support them doesn't help education in the society as a whole.

High education should not be taxed, period. It's investment towards more tax income in 3-4 years. If you need to tax something to support some providers of education, it's not other providers of eduction.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between giving you $X that other people don't get, and asking you to pay $X less in taxes that other people have to pay?

Because it's an educational institution. That's the whole point! Harvard gets to have people with no money get degrees from their school for free because of this. It's a wonderful thing for society that they have such a big endowment. Why anyone would get so money hungry as to attack them is beyond me.

How does that answer my question? If you want to complain about attacks then you can do it at the top level.

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #2

People give these elite colleges and universities a hard time, but I think it is mostly sensational stories with no meat. Do you know how many US schools are need blind and meet full need for all students? 6. [1] I also have no clue where the story about these schools being for rich kids came from. When my wife went to Princeton a few years back it was one of the cheapest options for her! Schools all base need on the…

Harvard waives fees altogether for families making less than $65,000. More than 60% of US households have income less than that+, yet only 20% of Harvard's undergraduate class pays no fees. From this we reasonably say that Harvard is mostly a school for rich kids, despite its generosity to those non-rich kids it lets in. In this way it is similar to elite private high schools in NYC or boarding schools in New England…

20% of Harvard's undergraduate class pays no fees. That's great! >300 people a year get to attend Harvard and pay no fees. Why complain about this?

Re: Is It Time to Tax Harvard’s Endowment?

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post #15
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between giving you $X that other people don't get, and asking you to pay $X less in taxes that other people have to pay?

One difference is that there aren't just two sets in the tax-paying universe. Another is that this isn't zero sum.

I don't understand, how are either of those differences between the two scenarios?
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