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Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

The same way we eat a dead cow because hey, cheap $1 protein with ketchup. It's habit and no reason to stop and think it through, plus everyone does it so it must be ok.

Animals aren't as self-evidently like ourselves as other people arem

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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post #130

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The same way we eat a dead cow because hey, cheap $1 protein with ketchup. It's habit and no reason to stop and think it through, plus everyone does it so it must be ok.

It's a lot more than "habit", it's downright delicious!

Human meat is also delicious.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Some burdens are simply too severe to levy on a single person for an accident. These should be borne by a combination of insurance, the community, and/or the state.

The language "accident" (and the associated story) implies that one cannot control whether they injure someone with their 2000lb death machines. That is not true.

It is true that one can substantially control whether they injure someone. It is not true that one can perfectly control whether they injure someone (short of abstaining entirely from driving).

Moreover, the word "accident" does not in any way imply that the result could not have been avoided if different decisions were made or more care were taken - that is almost universally the case for "accidental" things.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

People outside China Mainland is hard to imagine the truth behind the news. It's so sad that I have to say the drivers were insane but not totally unreasonable ( Apparently, I'm not agree to what they did or thought ).

In China Mainland, if you drive and hit someone to death, a compensation no more than 15,000 USD will be paid for victim's family. However, if the victim was badly hit the medical expenses could easily reach 15,000 USD and probably beyond 50,000 USD or more. And in that situation, China's terrible medical/car crash insurance can only help a little.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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post #130

Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

The same way we eat a dead cow because hey, cheap $1 protein with ketchup. It's habit and no reason to stop and think it through, plus everyone does it so it must be ok.

Not at all the same.

The majority of consumers don't even see the cow, much less kill it themselves.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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I think you have to look at this from a certain perspective. Think about it, this is a country of 1.3 billion people. How often does this actually happen? Secondly, think about incentives. Maybe I am hopelessly naive, but I believe that the majority of human beings have something built into them that stops them from hurting others. For the majority of humanity, you don't need laws against murder, internal morality an…

One thing baffles me. If parents knew (there is security camera footage) that their child was run over several times because some asshole made a RATIONAL choice; and then said parents hired a bunch of guys to disappear the asshole, suddenly the expected penalty would change, and so would the rational choice. (There probably wouldn't be much of an investigation, either.) So why aren't they doing it? If the government…

If you drive in a Chinese city, you're pretty well off. So I would bet that many cases, the victim's family can't afford stuff like that.

The few cases mentioned where something happened to the driver were probably the exceptions where the victim also had money.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Three questions:

1. The article notes that the monetary cost to the driver for accidentally killing someone is much less than the cost for accidentally disabling someone.

For drivers that do not have much wealth, and who are the sole source of income for their family, I can see how [1] they might decide that the harm to their family from having to pay that higher cost might outweigh the harm from killing a stranger. People tend to value their immediate family very much more than they value strangers.

However, it seems a lot of these cases were people driving expensive luxury cars. For people with the incomes or wealth to afford those cars, is the cost difference enough to actually cause serious hardship for them or their family?

2. How does this work when the pedestrian is a foreigner, such as a tourist or a business traveler?

Do drivers know that (1) these people will have their medical bills taken care of by insurance or the national healthcare systems of their home countries, so there is no need to kill them, and (2) it would really piss off their home country, which would cause severe diplomatic pressure on China to seriously punish the driver?

3. Drivers certainly cannot count on always being able to finish off any pedestrian they hit. Why hasn't an insurance market sprung up to deal with the risk of disabling pedestrians?

[1] Note: "I can see how" is not meant to mean "I approve of". It is observational, not judgmental.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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I lived in China for a few months. The way it was explained to me was, it's you and your family, and everyone else can f * off.

Been living in Vietnam for the last five years. It's the same way here. Maybe it's the Chinese influence?

You sure that in Vietnam that there are hit-to-kill incidents?

I thought that thing is exclusive to China. Or at least like that, since I have a few people who got hit by vehicles but only injured, drivers don't even tries to finish off.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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The way that's described seems like a society/culture of sociopaths..

You can find people with that mentality in any American city. Sociopaths are pretty evenly distributed across the human population. It's just that here the incentives are different. And there, money and connections are an absolute get out of jail free card. That said, I'm surprised there isn't a greater culture of vengeance killings over issues like this.

... Committed with vehicles and which involve running the person over four times, making sure to get out of the vehicle to steer your car tire over their skull ...

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Two words: Stanley Milgram. Our morals aren't nearly as absolute as we like to think. 20% of the entire population of Rwanda were hacked to death with farm implements by ordinary people. 25% of the Cambodian population were butchered, starved or worked to death by a poorly-organised militia. Any of us have the capacity to kill if we have a sufficiently compelling justification. Ask any mother if she would kill to sav…

> Two words: Stanley Milgram. In the study, he didn't ask his subjects to kill. And they didn't actually murder anyone. > Rwanda ... Cambodia ... Nazis ... Interahamwe People killing on behalf of the State is a whole other matter than what the article is talking about vis-à-vis pedestrian fatalities. The State has been the largest single driver of misery, destruction, and death in human history, and I don't disagree…

While I think murder is a bit outside the in-built nature of human beings, I absolutely believe that violence in general is one of the core human behaviors. People resort to violence very often, and very quickly. Sure, there's incentive to get the other guy or girl to back down without expending the energy of physically attacking them, but I'm not limiting my definition of violence to only be physical. Psychological violence is half of the infantry's job, anyways. I also offer another[0] interesting story about this fact (that most humans will not voluntarily murder another human being).

[0]: http://www.historynet.com/men-against-fire-how-many-soldiers...

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