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Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Post by ketralnis »

spacehome wrote: post #38
mirimir wrote: post #18

There's a similar dynamic in Mexico. Causing injury can mean responsibility for lifetime care. Another factor is Napoleonic law aka presumption of guilt. So one may end up in jail until trial. The third factor is ubiquitous graft. After an accident, the party with the most cash gets to tell the official story. So yes, advice is to flee with plates and registration (if any). But I didn't get that killing victims was c…

> Causing injury can mean responsibility for lifetime care. As well it should.

And that makes the incentive to kill them instead it injur them.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Post by totony »

sandworm101 wrote: post #49

Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

> There are basic human instincts not to hurt people.

citation needed

I don't think this is "human instinct". Looks more like a moral construct.

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Post by orthoganol »

sandworm101 wrote: post #49

Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

I lived in China for a few months. The way it was explained to me was, it's you and your family, and everyone else can f* off.

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Post by revelation »

adventured wrote: post #47
revelation wrote: post #33

Well, in the US it doesn't matter, there are no consequences either way. You can literally rampage up a sidewalk and send a bunch of kids to hospital, and have city council line up excuses for you. [0] If you do manage to kill someone, no worries, just tell police you were grasping for some milk carton. [1] If you go by police, there are literally plenty of cars of all makes and forms randomly losing control! [2] The…

Because you can find a few exceptions among tens of thousands of examples, doesn't mean it's a commonality. That's the critical distinction, and it makes your post obviously disingenuous. If anything the US has too harsh of a punishment system overall. The US is infamous for the exaggerated punishment of crime, not the lack of punishment.

You might want to do some actual research before making a comment to the effect of "citation needed".

Start with the term "NYPD likely to die". Only crashes where a victim is either dead or likely to die will even be investigated; this of course has huge ripple effects to all other ways to justice, as without a proper investigation it is similarly difficult to obtain a judgement in civil court.

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Post by MarkMc »

kelukelugames wrote: post #6

As a Chinese immigrant I am always baffled when Americans visit third world countries.

Wait... are you saying that it's baffling why Americans are horrified that so many Chinese people are prepared to commit murder for money?

Re: Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

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Post by caio1982 »

chaostheory wrote: post #44
speeder wrote: post #19

In Brazil the punishment for murder is lesser than many other crimes, leading to people murdering investigators (or in one particularly infamous case, a mayor murdered two environmental cops that were going to investigate his farm, got convicted, but still got re-elected). Also firing a gun and not hitting anything also has a harsher punishment than hitting someone, so unless you are a cop that need to draw attention…

The general culture of the Central and South America is actually pretty similar to China and other Asian countries.

Multiple citations needed.

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Post by adventured »

sandworm101 wrote: post #49

Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

This is a country that just a generation ago went through the Mao famines, that murdered 50 to 100 million people through forced starvation. As recently as a few decades ago, they still had traditional gulags, and still have re-education camps. During one stretch a decade ago, they famously were executing people in large numbers in stadiums via firing squad, to rapidly 'solve' outstanding crimes - they still do this to a lesser extent today [1].

Even now, the value of life in western China is considered very low. They have half a billion people living on $2 to $3 per day. I don't think there's a single example of such a poor country that has had a first world style (eg Sweden, Canada or Germany) consideration for the bottom 50%.

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/28/china-arrests-terro...

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Post by sandworm101 »

totony wrote: post #62
sandworm101 wrote: post #49

Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

> There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. citation needed I don't think this is "human instinct". Looks more like a moral construct.

Not the best source, but this is common knowledge in many circles:

"In a squad of 10 men, on average fewer than three ever fired their weapons in combat. Day in, day out — it did not matter how long they had been soldiers, how many months of combat they had seen, or even that the enemy was about to overrun their position. This was what the highly regarded Brigadier General Samuel Lyman Atwood Marshall, better known as S.L.A. Marshall, or ‘Slam,’ concluded in a series of military journal articles and in his book, Men Against Fire, about America’s World War II soldiers. "

http://www.historynet.com/men-against-fire-how-many-soldiers...

And: "This was a problem for the US military and its allies during World War II. New training implements were developed and hit rates improved. The changes were small, but effective."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killology

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Post by clarkmoody »

pvnick wrote: post #56
sandworm101 wrote: post #49

Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people driv…

People throughout history have killed, seemingly casually. It's human nature. I would contend that modern society has instilled these feelings of guilt associated with murder specifically against the natural tendency of man.

The vast majority of people have never and will never murder. It's not human nature to do so.
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