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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by logfromblammo »

Kalium wrote: post #297
logfromblammo wrote: post #295

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What audience? I'm just some guy complaining about things on the Internet. Rent-seeking behavior seems intrinsic to human society, such that any group of people larger than a certain size will be forced to deal with it in one way or another. At this point, nothing short of a constitutional amendment is likely to put a dent in the military industrial complex. And that's not happening any time soon. Complaining about i…

On the off chance that someone strays outside their echo chamber and encounters your dissenting opinion, the likely response is not what you would hope for. As written, the likely response will be for them to conclude that people outside their echo chamber are disconnected from reality and not worth paying attention to. Then they'll go back into their echo chamber, and your dissenting voice will have wasted a perfect…

The reactions of others are irrelevant to my desire to express my own opinion.

As a political minority, I am well aware that there are literally tens of millions of people who will dismiss my opinions without even pausing to think about them. That doesn't mean that I should stop having them, or stop expressing them in whatever way that pleases me.

I'm not exactly sure what you hope to accomplish by your responses. It almost sounds like you agree with the sentiment, but not the expression. If so, it is not a tad hypocritical to complain about how I am arranging my words rather than try to say it better yourself?

There's always going to be something to complain about. If not how the military-industrial complex is preventing the realization of peacetime prosperity, it might be how we have all this peacetime prosperity, but can't keep the mosquitoes from biting everyone at the picnic. If we run out of truly awful things to complain about, we can always complain about the merely annoying things. So I find your suggestion that complainers would actually prefer that the things they complain about not be fixed to be misguided.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by dang »

jbssm wrote: post #290
ashleyp wrote: post #287

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rmxt I don't think there's much point debating with this guy. He's not interested in learning and sharing his understanding. Only interested in proving he's right and I'm not even sure he knows what he's trying to prove right anymore. He's finding anything he can to backup his argument, not sharing sources that he used to formulate his opinions.

Me and another commenter, already posted all the sources. It's you that are trying to see if they disappear. Here they are again in case your blindness allows you to see the facts against your incoherent opinions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom#Sh... http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuer... http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi...

> in case your blindness allows you to see the facts against your incoherent opinions

> you took hypocrisy to an all new level with that comment

> in case you intellectual honesty doesn't allow you to figure out

Comments like these break the HN guidelines in a bunch of ways. Please don't post like that here.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by werber »

dao- wrote: post #43
werber wrote: post #33

Cool idea, but is this a non profit?

Yes, see http://www.refugees-welcome.net/#faq 'Does this project make money with putting refugees in touch with flats?' 'No, “Refugees Welcome“ is a non-profit organisation. However, you can support our work with a donation to the association Mensch Mensch Mensch which carries this project. Our bank details are: Mensch Mensch Mensch e.V. IBAN: DE88430609671167120500 BIC: GENODEM1GLS We can provide donation receipts.'

Awesome!

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jacobush »

sremani wrote: post #88
jacobush wrote: post #66

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Lebanon took a million and a half or thereabouts.

Jordan and Turkey also absorbed massive refugees. But the ones making to Europe are industrious and economically sophisticated, they are in it for more than personal/family safety. If you are educated and industrious why would you accept squalor conditions in refugee camp, if I were them I would do the same. The irony is ISIS's propaganda heavily relies on Europe born second generation Immigrants.

Of course. Because a camp in Jordan is so safe. A lovely place to raise a family.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jacobush »

theworstshill wrote: post #223
michaelbuddy wrote: post #210

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Interesting idea. But the "U.S." isn't giving these countries weapons. Various people from the U.S. may be doing that, I know that U.S. citizens (those of which any refugees would suddenly be living next to) didn't vote to give weapons to Syrian armies. But if you have proof of it (and I'm not saying you don't) you've then got to find out how the deal was made. Also you want to blame the gun sellers and not the gun s…

You're certainly joking, or trolling too hard. This is YC and not tumblr after all where the answer to any and all problems is "white males". However, the situation in the middle east was quantitatively and qualitatively better when it had Saddam, Qaddafi et all. The region had ethnic and religious tensions for most of its existance, the difference is - before the war in Iraq, Afganistan, Lybia and now Syria, there w…

The US civilian administration of Iraq, fired 800 000 army employees. Like that wasn't going to create a problem. The US blew such a big chance to keep Iraq going and gradually stabilize it over time.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jacobush »

turar wrote: post #218
michaelbuddy wrote: post #210

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Interesting idea. But the "U.S." isn't giving these countries weapons. Various people from the U.S. may be doing that, I know that U.S. citizens (those of which any refugees would suddenly be living next to) didn't vote to give weapons to Syrian armies. But if you have proof of it (and I'm not saying you don't) you've then got to find out how the deal was made. Also you want to blame the gun sellers and not the gun s…

It's not even about the weapons. The root cause of this situation is the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Yes. The invasion, if it had to be done, which could have been handled a lot better than it was. Which is to say, it was not handled at all. "We won. Now what."

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ashleyp »

ryanlol wrote: post #299
ashleyp wrote: post #289

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Yeah I can understand your point. Not nice being told what to do or forced what to do. When did the UK start demanding taxes to help refugees btw? I'm not aware of this.

Allocating tax money for a purpose achieves a very similar end result.

:S. Wait, so you'd rather move your money to HK who can use it for what they want than allow some to be paid to help refugees? You're aware that only 1% of the UK budget goes to foreign aid? So of your money being taxed so like 0.0025% of your money will be going to help? If you knew enough to move your money offshore I would have said you knew enough to know that too, so I presume you had loads of other reasons to move it not just this.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by tobltobs »

tormeh wrote: post #300
tobltobs wrote: post #281

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Could it be that you confuse refuges with expats and working immigrants? Similar to Mörgeli?

Nah, according to http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... Switzerland is exemplary on a per-capita basis.

I think you should read this article again. It is talking about the acceptance rate. It means a country which would only take one refuge and accept his asylum request would be on the top of this list. But yeah, details and facts are not the most important thing for our friends from the SVP.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by Kalium »

logfromblammo wrote: post #301
Kalium wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the off chance that someone strays outside their echo chamber and encounters your dissenting opinion, the likely response is not what you would hope for. As written, the likely response will be for them to conclude that people outside their echo chamber are disconnected from reality and not worth paying attention to. Then they'll go back into their echo chamber, and your dissenting voice will have wasted a perfect…

The reactions of others are irrelevant to my desire to express my own opinion. As a political minority, I am well aware that there are literally tens of millions of people who will dismiss my opinions without even pausing to think about them. That doesn't mean that I should stop having them, or stop expressing them in whatever way that pleases me. I'm not exactly sure what you hope to accomplish by your responses. It…

I'm suggesting that if you want to standing a snowball's chance in Hell of fixing the things you identify as problems, you need to think about how to persuade people. Bluntly, ranting in a person's general direction tends not to be a great way to change their mind, and changing minds is almost certainly what you need to further your stated goals.

I perhaps could say it better myself, but that's not my goal at this juncture.

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