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Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

woodchuck64 wrote: post #26

> Cognitive engineering, via direct edits to embryonic human DNA, will eventually produce individuals who are well beyond all historical figures in cognitive ability. Now that would be truly foolhardy. Blindly augmenting intelligence before cognitive moral reasoning is completely understood would be a recipe for incredibly dangerous psychopaths. At least with AI, you don't have a system that has been fine-tuned by eo…

>At least with AI, you don't have a system that has been fine-tuned by eons of evolution to manipulate people at least partly against their own interests.

As a smart person, I actually find this remarkably insulting. Not only do I have little desire to manipulate others, I have little ability. I'm much better with computers than with manipulating people.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

CmonDev wrote: post #12
0xdeadbeefbabe wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it already was put to rest by nautil.us http://nautil.us/issue/21/information/the-man-who-tried-to-r... In summary, 1000+ IQ man will discover life is illogical and depressing. He won't do much good when he's so depressed.

Sub-200 IQ men guessing what a 1000+ IQ man would do :).

Guys, the IQ scale becomes statistically meaningless and undefined past 160. Stop.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by krapp »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #62
CmonDev wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sub-200 IQ men guessing what a 1000+ IQ man would do :).

Guys, the IQ scale becomes statistically meaningless and undefined past 160. Stop.

meaningless... or merely incomprehensible to minds too simple to grasp its true nature?

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by rl3 »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #3

Why do people think they can build anything worthy of the name "AI" by just fucking around with neural networks instead of by specifying exactly what sort of models and exactly what sort of inference constitute "intelligence" in the first place? It's like trying to build an airplane by studying hang-gliders instead of aerodynamics.

Evolution, the process to which we owe our intelligence, is ultimately a dumb search process itself. It has no concept or understanding of what it creates, and yet, it still creates.

Thus, I fail to see why some sort of fundamental understanding of intelligence is required in order to create it. On the contrary, it's not hard to imagine genetic algorithms combined with neural networks being used in a similar fashion, provided there's sufficient data and computing power available.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by Kalium »

Tenobrus wrote: post #57
SpaceManNabs wrote: post #49

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Are you assuming ethics and intelligence disparate? Intelligent humans aren't necessarily void of empathy, morality, and emotion.

They seem to be orthogonal at least. Smart people are not necessarily ethical and vice versa. I'm unsure as to whether the parent thinks that any increase in intelligence would correspond with a decrease in morality, which I disagree with. But there is a pretty clear issue, being that if we manage to augment intelligence without first understanding ethics there's a not-insignifianct chance of creating a sociopath who…

I'm willing to be generous to parent to the point of allowing that a specimen of sufficiently greater intelligence may have difficulty empathizing with your average human and regard them as lesser. Much in the same way that we tend to regard apes or mice as lesser than ourselves.

Some would argue that we already have that problem emerging in Silicon Valley. I don't agree, since I think that's more of a case of many people refusing to value a society that ill-treated me.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

krapp wrote: post #63
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guys, the IQ scale becomes statistically meaningless and undefined past 160. Stop.

meaningless... or merely incomprehensible to minds too simple to grasp its true nature?

This comment.

Edit: (to be read with melodramatic emphasis)

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #62
CmonDev wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sub-200 IQ men guessing what a 1000+ IQ man would do :).

Guys, the IQ scale becomes statistically meaningless and undefined past 160. Stop.

Well tell that to Stephen who said, "it would be possible to achieve, very roughly, about 100 standard deviations of improvement, corresponding to an IQ of over 1,000."
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