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Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

nautil.us

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Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Why do people think they can build anything worthy of the name "AI" by just fucking around with neural networks instead of by specifying exactly what sort of models and exactly what sort of inference constitute "intelligence" in the first place? It's like trying to build an airplane by studying hang-gliders instead of aerodynamics.

Didn't they try before the AI Winter happened?

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> It is easy to forget that the computer revolution was led by a handful of geniuses: individuals with truly unusual cognitive ability. Great man theory needs to be strangled and put to rest.

I thought it already was put to rest by nautil.us http://nautil.us/issue/21/information/the-man-who-tried-to-r... In summary, 1000+ IQ man will discover life is illogical and depressing. He won't do much good when he's so depressed.

Sub-200 IQ men guessing what a 1000+ IQ man would do :).

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Why do people think they can build anything worthy of the name "AI" by just fucking around with neural networks instead of by specifying exactly what sort of models and exactly what sort of inference constitute "intelligence" in the first place? It's like trying to build an airplane by studying hang-gliders instead of aerodynamics.

I agree. I think the current state of AI can roughly be described as "we want to fly like birds" rather than "we want to fly". Aviation is a great example of how the formulation of a task makes a huge difference. We still can't build machines that would fly exactly like birds, but instead we have built machines that fly faster and carry a lot more weight.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Why do people think they can build anything worthy of the name "AI" by just fucking around with neural networks instead of by specifying exactly what sort of models and exactly what sort of inference constitute "intelligence" in the first place? It's like trying to build an airplane by studying hang-gliders instead of aerodynamics.

Because there's no known path to AI and articles like this are pretty much science fiction. Reminds me of that Georges Melies film about going to the moon in a cannon. We didn't have any ideas regarding rockets yet, so cannons it is.

I suspect someone will get some level of mega-expert system/simulated intelligence going sooner than later. Maybe something that can handle the types of commands you could give a dog and it being able to use enough fuzzy logic to work basic things out like, "Get me a coke from the fridge and then get my slippers."

That seems a lot more likely than suddenly birthing human-level AI from NN's. I think NN's will ultimately fail the same way planes work nothing like birds. Trying to copy a biological system very closely just doesn't make sense, at least most of the time.

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post #9

Why do people think they can build anything worthy of the name "AI" by just fucking around with neural networks instead of by specifying exactly what sort of models and exactly what sort of inference constitute "intelligence" in the first place? It's like trying to build an airplane by studying hang-gliders instead of aerodynamics.

Baby steps.

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Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Why do people think they can build anything worthy of the name "AI" by just fucking around with neural networks instead of by specifying exactly what sort of models and exactly what sort of inference constitute "intelligence" in the first place? It's like trying to build an airplane by studying hang-gliders instead of aerodynamics.

Because there's no known path to AI and articles like this are pretty much science fiction. Reminds me of that Georges Melies film about going to the moon in a cannon. We didn't have any ideas regarding rockets yet, so cannons it is. I suspect someone will get some level of mega-expert system/simulated intelligence going sooner than later. Maybe something that can handle the types of commands you could give a dog and…

You must hang around some pretty awesome dogs.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it already was put to rest by nautil.us http://nautil.us/issue/21/information/the-man-who-tried-to-r... In summary, 1000+ IQ man will discover life is illogical and depressing. He won't do much good when he's so depressed.

Sub-200 IQ men guessing what a 1000+ IQ man would do :).

Sub-200? Speak for yourself.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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Pre-genetic-augmentation human intelligence doesn't have to be plain old meat, either-- there's a renaissance of cognitive enhancement occurring right now in the nootropic field, with many different chemical compounds under investigation along with a few less traditional approaches like Thync/tDCS or "brain exercises". As far as eugenic paring of the human gene line toward higher intelligence goes, I wouldn't think about producing an ubermench for another 20 years, at which point we can then wait another 30 years for the freshly born cohort of ubermenschenkinder to mature to adulthood, then another 30 years for the ubermenschen to realize that the last generation solved the problems they were raised for, leaving even harder and more inscrutable mysteries for them to chase. I think a GATTACA style genetic inequality is inevitable.

One gargantuan thing the author didn't mention which will probably be responsible for rapidly rising perceived intelligence is the quality of living improvements that are underway for the world's poor. The more people raised to a standard of living that allows for the highest levels of education and divorce from economic necessity, the more superintelligent people we'll see in the world. It isn't because these people are dumb until they get money, it's because mathematical or scientific intelligence is not at all developed or rewarded under the current paradigm of poverty, leading to an appalling amount of intelligence-potential wasted. The rising worldwide standard of living is going to furnish us with more and more people who have the proper intelligence, training and mindset (most important items listed last!) to contribute to difficult problems.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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> It is easy to forget that the computer revolution was led by a handful of geniuses: individuals with truly unusual cognitive ability. Great man theory needs to be strangled and put to rest.

Why? This statement is certainly true.

You can expand the range of people with any plausible contribution until it's not, but doing so would be an ideological exercise at best.

Von Neumann, Shannon, Turing, Weiner, Hopper and many more, on through Wozniak, Torvalds, I could go on and on. There's nothing wrong with calling extraordinary intellect what it is.

Re: Why human intelligence and AI will co-evolve

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The coevolution of AI and IA (intelligence augmentation) is the very topic of John Markoff's new book "Machines of Loving Grace". He doesn't delve into the complexities of how human wetware may co evolve with AI (as Hsu does) so much as how AI-based software and hardware may augment and shape human activity of all kinds. A worthwhile read.
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