Show HN: JobTrial – Try a potential fit, before a fulltime offer
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#2Hi HN,
I design digital products, and I've always believed Designers should know code. I've never written code before. Today I'm excited to have built this all by my own. Over the last 20 days I've learnt several new concepts and pushed several lines of code.
I did not want to spend much time on the design so chose a very minimal design after getting inspired by seeing Text-only sites.
I'm interested in knowing your thoughts about the product and of course, any bugs you come across.
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#3Congratulations on creating & shipping your 1st product!
My first reactions, in order of appearance - hope they will be helpful in crafting the UX:
1. After reading HN title: Why would anyone need a special site for Trial Period?
2. After first glance at the site: Aaah, it's only for 3 days. Why so short? Does the site help the companies make a good decision after these 3 days or is just a sourcing channel?
3. After noticing that the jobs aren't dev only: Great! So many job sites are focused on devs exclusively :)
4. After clicking "Start trial" link: Why do you want me to sign-in? I didn't notice this requirement earlier. Why Twitter? Why don't you provide some form instead?
5. After attempting to sign in with Twitter: Why do you need so many permissions? Update my profile? Post Tweets for me? Can I trust you?
6. After abandoning the sign-in and going back to home page: Aaaah there's "Pleas sign-in message at the top". It seems I was banner blind 2 minutes ago. So where is the FAQ, contact info, TOS and other stuff required to form at least basic level of trust?
So, as in case of many services it was a little emotional roller-coaster between hope, disillusionment and doubt coming form insufficient information. Fortunately all of these seem to be quite easy to fix :)
EDIT: A couple more of questions running through my head during the 1st experience with your site:
1. How will the trial look like? How much time should I reserve? (it would be great if such info would be part of Job Posting)
2. Does "Start trial" mean that I'll be instantly connected to someone? Should I expect an interview? Are the positins remote or on-site? etc.
3. Am I right to expect that the trial will be unpaid one?
Re: Show HN: JobTrial – Try a potential fit, before a fulltime offer
#4Congratulations on creating & shipping your 1st product! My first reactions, in order of appearance - hope they will be helpful in crafting the UX: 1. After reading HN title: Why would anyone need a special site for Trial Period? 2. After first glance at the site: Aaah, it's only for 3 days. Why so short? Does the site help the companies make a good decision after these 3 days or is just a sourcing channel? 3. After…
Thank you so much for taking time and writing this. I haven't really concentrated much on the UX front :(, intentionally.
2) The thought process behind 3 days was job-seeker could take a 3 day off from his current workplace and try the new work. 1 or 2 days would be short, and anything more than 3 days is not feasible from the job-seekers side.
4 & 5) Trial would be provided or requested using your social/public profile i.e twitter and a personal link (could be linkedin or resume or website). So asking for twitter and personal link. Email would be needed in the case of a match between potential employer and employee, I'm sending an introduction on email to both.
6) Yeah I'll need to work on that and clarify stuff.
Edit:
1) Trial could be decided between you and the employer over email, could be remote, or physically move to the office.
2) Once any job-seeker says start trial to a posting, it will be shown to the employer. Using the public profile and the personal link provided employers shortlist candidates. When they too show an interest, email introduction is done.
3) This could as well be discussed over the email after the introduction is made. But I might have to clarify this.
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#5Are the salary ranges for those 3 days? Or for a year? Either way they seem too much or too little.
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#6Are the salary ranges for those 3 days? Or for a year? Either way they seem too much or too little.
:).. They are Salaries per annum. Seems so little because of the dollar conversion.
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#7Are the salary ranges for those 3 days? Or for a year? Either way they seem too much or too little.
:).. They are Salaries per annum. Seems so little because of the dollar conversion.
I was curious. According to Quora these are the class ranges in India:
Affluent/Rich - Rs. 500,000 p.m and above. Usually businessmen & celebrities.
Upper class - Rs. 200,000 per month to Rs. 500,000 p.m.
Upper middle class- Rs. 50,000 p.m. to Rs. 200,000 p.m.
Middle-Middle class - Rs. 20,000 p.m to Rs. 50,000 p.m.
Lower-middle class - Rs. 10,000 p.m to Rs. 20,000 p.m.
Lower class - Rs. 6,000 per month to Rs. 10,000 per month
Poor - Less than Rs. 6,000 p.m.
By glance $10,000 per year seems like a good average. Which is 661,500 INR per year or about 55,000 per month.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
:).. They are Salaries per annum. Seems so little because of the dollar conversion.
I was curious. According to Quora these are the class ranges in India: Affluent/Rich - Rs. 500,000 p.m and above. Usually businessmen & celebrities. Upper class - Rs. 200,000 per month to Rs. 500,000 p.m. Upper middle class- Rs. 50,000 p.m. to Rs. 200,000 p.m. Middle-Middle class - Rs. 20,000 p.m to Rs. 50,000 p.m. Lower-middle class - Rs. 10,000 p.m to Rs. 20,000 p.m. Lower class - Rs. 6,000 per month to Rs. 10,000…
E-commerce giants in India pay Rs. 1,500,000 - 2,500,000 for a good UX designer. And developers salaries fall in this range too for node/angular/scala.
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#9Although there's no serious enforcement, having those three days be uncompensated has certain legal requirements under labor laws in the US and some other jurisdictions. In particular, it may be necessary to define the terminology during that trial period in a very specific way (e.g. a "trainee"... IANAL).
Re: Show HN: JobTrial – Try a potential fit, before a fulltime offer
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was curious. According to Quora these are the class ranges in India: Affluent/Rich - Rs. 500,000 p.m and above. Usually businessmen & celebrities. Upper class - Rs. 200,000 per month to Rs. 500,000 p.m. Upper middle class- Rs. 50,000 p.m. to Rs. 200,000 p.m. Middle-Middle class - Rs. 20,000 p.m to Rs. 50,000 p.m. Lower-middle class - Rs. 10,000 p.m to Rs. 20,000 p.m. Lower class - Rs. 6,000 per month to Rs. 10,000…
E-commerce giants in India pay Rs. 1,500,000 - 2,500,000 for a good UX designer. And developers salaries fall in this range too for node/angular/scala.
Is that per year or month?