A Case That Has Microsoft, Apple and Amazon Agreeing

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Post by andore_jr » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 1:30 PM UTC

A Case That Has Microsoft, Apple and Amazon Agreeing
bloomberg.com

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Post by shitsandwich » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:04 PM UTC

They can pretend but their still the bad guys

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Post by amgine » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:07 PM UTC

It's great this article about Microsoft fighting for our privacy came put in the midst of the upset over Windows 10 phoning home.

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Post by kgilpin » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:09 PM UTC

If companies stored customer data encrypted by keys that are held by the customer, they wouldn't have this problem.

Furthermore, they wouldn't have to worry about deleting customer data either. The customer would have the power to simply deny access to the keys.

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Post by ewzimm » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:11 PM UTC

It's good to know there are people like Brad Smith standing up to government demands for full access to people's data. It brings up an interesting privacy contradiction. While storing data locally seems best for privacy, if it's on a networked computer, there are still ways for people to get it, and unless you have really good lawyers, nobody is going to challenge governments across the world if they want to access it. By moving data to the cloud, we are creating incentives for companies like Microsoft to fight against government intrusion.

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Post by valarauca1 » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:13 PM UTC

kgilpin wrote: post #4

If companies stored customer data encrypted by keys that are held by the customer, they wouldn't have this problem. Furthermore, they wouldn't have to worry about deleting customer data either. The customer would have the power to simply deny access to the keys.

But then you can't leverage customer data to sell to advertisers. The problem is, you are the product for most internet companies.

Think of a Cow in a barn. The food/water/shelter is free, because you are what's to be sold.

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Post by lallysingh » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:24 PM UTC

kgilpin wrote: post #4

If companies stored customer data encrypted by keys that are held by the customer, they wouldn't have this problem. Furthermore, they wouldn't have to worry about deleting customer data either. The customer would have the power to simply deny access to the keys.

The larger issue is that you now have to push key management to the user, and the support problems that go with that. Key management is hard and painful. Telling a customer that they can't access their data on your service because they broke their laptop is going to make them very unhappy.

Otherwise, there'd be plenty of services competing with Drive, DropBox, etc, that did just that.

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Post by reitanqild » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:25 PM UTC

valarauca1 wrote: post #6

kgilpin wrote: post #4

If companies stored customer data encrypted by keys that are held by the customer, they wouldn't have this problem. Furthermore, they wouldn't have to worry about deleting customer data either. The customer would have the power to simply deny access to the keys.

But then you can't leverage customer data to sell to advertisers. The problem is, you are the product for most internet companies. Think of a Cow in a barn. The food/water/shelter is free, because you are what's to be sold.

This meme got old faster than I expected.

I am the only one that is aware of symbiosis?

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Post by saraha » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:27 PM UTC

amgine wrote: post #3

It's great this article about Microsoft fighting for our privacy came put in the midst of the upset over Windows 10 phoning home.

Microsoft aren't fighting for your rights here. They are fighting for market share. Not turning your data over to the FBI is now a product feature.

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Post by protomyth » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:27 PM UTC

kgilpin wrote: post #4

If companies stored customer data encrypted by keys that are held by the customer, they wouldn't have this problem. Furthermore, they wouldn't have to worry about deleting customer data either. The customer would have the power to simply deny access to the keys.

Tarsnap (a service that acts like your description) is quite nice, but the problem of "customer lost the keys" is a very real one. I love the idea, but someone really needs to come up with some decent key management (and offline backup and key migration) to make this consumer friendly.