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To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Ok, here's an idea for a procrastination preventer. It's like the ones you've seen already, which you add to your browser, and then they kick you off reddit after 15 minutes or whatever, or blog problem domains entirely. Instead of that, a popup that asks "what are you supposed to be working on right now?" with a short text input. You type an answer, and carry on procrastinating. Then after 15 minutes, it pops up aga…

I actually made that for Chrome. It worked. I got disheartened that no one ever downloaded it from the store so I destroyed it. All it did was pop up a Yes/No alert that said, "Really?!"

It also had a back off that was configurable. There were times when I was doing actually productive research that the constant questioning was annoying, especially intrawebsite. So you could delay the next request for N minutes based on a configuration.

Other sites were white listed. They were low volume, low distraction or high value like google.com.

In the end I destroyed because it felt like another failure. No one wanted it. So I took that as a personal rejection. It could just be that I did a poor job of marketing it. I might try making it again, but for Safari since I've recently changed.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instincts are useful tools for making fast decisions, but in my view we should see them as nothing more than tools. As self-aware beings I see no harm in deciding for ourselves when to follow our instincts and when to override them.

I agree! But the first step in a good decision is a clear understanding of the situation, and it is a barrier to understanding to just blanket-decide that procrastination is completely bad without even considering otherwise.

So... what's the alternative? Depression is another common behavior pattern/mode that "must have evolved for a reason". And sure, there might be a benefit to depression that is yet unnoticed. But since based on the current information it's so bad, treating it anyway makes sense. It's pretty implausible to somehow verify there are no benefits from procrastination, and it clearly causes problems for people (from their own and other's perspectives). That seems like something to attempt to solve. It's not like every single mental/biological feature must be beneficial somehow, that's not actually how evolution works. It might be, we can't "prove" otherwise, but we kind of have to work with what we have until there's a complete map of human neural structures or something.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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post #5

Ok, here's an idea for a procrastination preventer. It's like the ones you've seen already, which you add to your browser, and then they kick you off reddit after 15 minutes or whatever, or blog problem domains entirely. Instead of that, a popup that asks "what are you supposed to be working on right now?" with a short text input. You type an answer, and carry on procrastinating. Then after 15 minutes, it pops up aga…

I like the idea. It reminds me of something I want for myself but can't really formulate well. For example, let's say I'm working on a paper and while writing, I encounter a latex problem that I want fixed so I go off and look it up on stackoverflow (instead of making a note that I need to fix this later). Ideally I'd go right back to working on my paper after solving the issue. Unless I can't solve it and have to do…

I had the same idea! I've used Emacs org-mode to keep the "stack trace" in a tree. Still, it's hard to keep the discipline to actually use it.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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post #5

Ok, here's an idea for a procrastination preventer. It's like the ones you've seen already, which you add to your browser, and then they kick you off reddit after 15 minutes or whatever, or blog problem domains entirely. Instead of that, a popup that asks "what are you supposed to be working on right now?" with a short text input. You type an answer, and carry on procrastinating. Then after 15 minutes, it pops up aga…

I like the idea. It reminds me of something I want for myself but can't really formulate well. For example, let's say I'm working on a paper and while writing, I encounter a latex problem that I want fixed so I go off and look it up on stackoverflow (instead of making a note that I need to fix this later). Ideally I'd go right back to working on my paper after solving the issue. Unless I can't solve it and have to do…

So you want to build a tool/data-structure to track your yak-shavings [0] ?

[0] : http://www.hanselman.com/blog/YakShavingDefinedIllGetThatDon...

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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I am a remote worker and suffer from chronic procrastination. "Understanding emotions" is an oversimplified solution because many are addicted to procrastination. It's like asking an alcoholic to understand the emotions of why he drinks. I have procrastinated as a student and my entire career and have always gotten away with it. I've been rewarded with praise of my great work, higher paying positions, and bonuses. I…

Well in this case are you really procrastinating? Clearly your brain is making relatively solid decisions, considering how your career is moving (upward).

In this situation I'd like to recall Bertrand Russel's great dictum: "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time". :) Totally changed how I think about my "procrastinating" time when I read that.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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I was a big procrastinator in the past. But I was lucky in that one of the things I procrastinated with was learning psychology !.

As I learned more and more psychology it became obvious how to win over it. I created a mastermind with other entrepreneurs and it helped enormously First, everybody has this "problem". Second, you help other people and you help yourself.

Now I can make amazing things in very small amounts of time, and spend a lot of time reading-writting things that interest me, or stay with my family.

Basically what happens is that the human beings are flexible enough to do things no animal could do. But it comes at a price, no natural things require immense amounts of effort to do, even if trivial.

For example, most men could spend all day long hunting or fishing without problem, even if it is hard, rich people do that when they are free to do whatever they can. But plowing the earth or writing a book or programming are totally different.

When you do non natural things, odds are your body responds badly. For example, programming all day means you don't exercise your inertial system. If you sit all day, your lymphatic system suffers a lot. There are hundreds of things like this. You don't see any of this, you only know that you try to work and your body says NO!! You try to force it, but the situation worsens and your body will tell you NO WAY even stronger.

My cofounder died in his twenties by cancer trying to work harder. He forced himself so much into work that he got weaker and weaker before getting cancer. No sleep, no exercise, bad food. We know today that eating well, exercise and sleep is essential for your immune system.

Anyone that offers you an easy solution, he is BS. It requires effort and time to learn how to control yourself, but it is probably the best investment you could do in your entire life.

Probably the best practical book on the issue is "the Now Habit". I prefer the audiobook. Wake up Productive from Eben Pagan is great too.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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> The researchers, who have continued following up with the participants, will look at one-year outcomes later this year to see if the results were maintained.

This is quite important. Let us know how they've done in a year. I have been through times of extreme productivity and, well, the opposite in much shorter time spans. The difference being partially down to self-confidence, being aware of the reality of the results of the work and a mastery of stress levels. 'The opposite' happens when stress and the resultant bad decision making creeps in. To me it's the external factors in one's life that mean that any single person can be both a procrastinator and an extremely productive '100x' person in the same year, month, week. When stressed or 'temporally myopic' (as per the article) no amount of tools, widgets, hosts files or GTD schemes will work. They are all too easy to disable, workaround and ignore. The solution can not be quick-fixed, imho.

I've tried a lot of things myself over the decade-plus of working from home, currently even having my machine announce new Pomodoro sprints every 25 minutes (+5 minutes for break) to try to enforce a working atmosphere. It has an effect in that it at least generates the atmosphere, but it can have the opposite effect if external factors have already primed me for procrastination. Those factors can be tiredness, everyday life issues, being overworked, underworked, distracted etc. Any of which cause me to frequently ignore the espeak announcements. The cronjob that launches Anki every day gets equally ignored during these periods and they tend to start to bake in a habit of ignoring the automated reminders and thus the good habits for longer than I might have done without them.

All of which leads me to believe that self-motivation and constant reflective thought of one's current and future situation (all with a confident and optimistic outlook) are the only ways to maintain a level of productivity approaching constant. Understanding that there isn't a quick-fix, that effort must be exerted, anxieties must be overcome. Learning to cope with life's external factors so that they don't push your work off course. Those kinds of things seem like the real solutions to procrastination. And they are great personal challenges for many, myself included.

The irony of the length of my post on this subject is not lost on me, but then I have had a productive morning and this is my lunch break (sweet, sweet excuses...).

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Concepts found in mindfulness and CBT can help with this.

The idea is that thoughts influence emotion and physical responses, which then influences behaviour, consequentially influencing outcomes.

With procrastination, you will think of a task that you are avoiding. This may create anxiety and a tightening in your stomach. This will then prevent you from taking action. The outcome of that is rationalisation thoughts such as "I've got loads of time on this" or "I'll just do it later", which then eases the emotional and physical responses, leading to you postponing the task and doing something else. This cycle will continue.

By being mindful of these thoughts and recording them, you can then begin to look at rational responses. So, for example, you might say "I'm not good enough" and then craft a written, rational response to it. You continue this until you have an uncertainty, where you can't be sure if it's a rational response. You then create a practical plan of behavioural experiment to test it. This may include doing a small part of the task and seeking feedback to see if you're on the right lines, as an example to not being sure if you have what it takes for the task.

Identifying these cycles and consciously taking steps to elimate them can probably do more than focus on any particular part of the cycle alone.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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How about a popup that tells you "get the fuck back to work otherwise you'll get fired and end up on yhe street" ?

How about it auto calls the police or some other place which would result in utter embarrassment? External pressure works best for me.

Imminent Threat as a Service?

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but it seems like AD/HD to me. No real concern for due dates far off in the future: "Look, it's either due now or not now ." Describes me perfectly. :)

I've tried to get around this by self-imposing deadlines. But it always works for a bit, and then it'll start slipping - I'll duly "catch up", but it slips again, and eventually gets to the point where everything's slipping faster than I can catch up, which is just depressing -_- Seeing as they were self-imposed, the easiest 'solution' to the resulting 'depression' is just to lift them! Great! Oh, wait, we're back wh…

I tried to enforce them once with a precommitment service (i.e. you set up a deadline and pay money if you slip). The first missed deadline stressed me, which made me miss more deadlines, which got me even more stressed, thus missing even more deadlines, up until the point my credit card started bouncing. And mind you, this was on trivial tasks - I just couldn't overcome the anxiety and make myself do them.

I ended up an order of magnitude more miserable and in a very bad financial position for half a year. I can see how it works for people with big tolerance for stress (apparently I'm not one of them), but it's a double-edged sword.

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