Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

Post by Nelson69 » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 12:10 AM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #18

dogma1138 wrote: post #12

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DRM has to be kinda an integral part of the Codec in order for it to work efficiently especially with streaming any other type of DRM will not be really viable since it will either require you to get the entire file or to chop the video into smaller blocks. DRM for the most part is encryption and if you want to have it with all the vector voodoo of video compression it has to be built in. That said today there is no…

Name one codec with specific support for DRM built into the compression.

Post by threeseed » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 2:01 AM UTC

keeperofdakeys wrote: post #39

dogma1138 wrote: post #4

Would be interesting to see if this can be pulled off mostly due to existing patents. H.265 license covers over 500 patents you can find quite a few of them dating form the 90's which will expire in 2-3 years, but also quite a few that wont. http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/hevc/Documents/hevc-att1... Considering that many companies patent everything and their mother I wonder if it's possible to actually have a Ro…

That's the great thing about Daala, they are exploring alternate ways to build a video codec.I'm really hopeful that one day it will be as successful as Opus. There was a great talk about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmho4gcRvQ4

Post by aidenn0 » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 3:26 AM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #27

aidenn0 wrote: post #24

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My understanding is that IPMP was not precisely builtin to MPEG-2 or -4. The fact that it could be backported to MPEG2 is partly indicative of this. IPMP does not in any meaningful way alter the H.263 or H.264 compression algorithims, even though it does alter the bitstream in ways that require modifications of the encode/decode pipeline There is nothing stopping a third-party from similarly making a pipeline-invasiv…

Both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 have several revisions, while not being directly tied to the "compression" which might be the wrong choice of words IPMP hooks into virtually every step in the encoding and decoding pipeline. You can implement multiple IP controls over every bit of the format from audio streams to the scene constructing language that is used to rebuild the scene it self so you can technically put DRM on individ…

Post by boundlessdreamz » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 5:00 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #43

keeperofdakeys wrote: post #39

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That's the great thing about Daala, they are exploring alternate ways to build a video codec.I'm really hopeful that one day it will be as successful as Opus. There was a great talk about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmho4gcRvQ4

> I'm really hopeful that one day it will be as successful as Opus. I assume you mean more successful. I have never seen or even heard of an Opus file in the wild.

Post by myspace » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 6:17 AM UTC

sitkack wrote: post #48

What Mozilla should do is patent the hell of out everything they are currently developing. One way out is a MAD style codec arms race. You have to get the other side to capitulate, to tap out. If you have no patents you have no leverage. The problem with the licensing "authorities" is that they are borg like in that hundreds of orgs have put patents in the pool. Nocking out a patent or two won't effect them.