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Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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I have a very similar story, except I'm on part one. Recent graduate, very modest family, and drank all the Paul G koolaid which got me to jump into the whole scene just to realize I'm mostly surrounded by upper middle class types where there's still risk being taken just not nearly as much. This has taught me to always consider the source of advice more rigorously. I still think he's a great thinker, but some of the…

The lesson from this is don't drink anyone's kool aid consciously. PG has a huge incentive to wax heroic about the "risk takers" "makers" and "founders"; it's the Silicon Valley cargo cult, and should be compensated against in the mind of the reader. Always be brutally critical of applying the question of qui bono-- always, no exceptions, ever. PG has little incentive to explicitly qualify ideas that are his foundati…

> taking you down a peg.

Like, back to first base, say?

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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I'm sorry, I am going to call this nonsense. I am second generation from immigrants who arrived at these shores with nothing but the clothes on their backs. They escaped Genocide and other horrors. When they got here they grabbed whatever job they could. They had nothing. They saved their money. And when they could, they started their own small businesses (yes, both of my grandparents behaved the same way without kno…

Although your parents built their business from scratch, they benefited from a social, cultural and economic background which led them to more easily attempt and succeed at starting a business.

I am a business owner myself, not coming from a high-income family. I am now part of a network of young entrepreneur/lending scheme for innovative business.

A wild guess: 75% of our alumni come from privileged environment: 50% from very wealthy family, 25% had parents who had intellectual jobs (parents were teachers for instance), and about 25% "others".

It's all anecdotal evidence, as much as your personal experience is.

From your "mother with 3 jobs" example: of course she teaches a lot to her children, of course she has merit! But their children won't feel like they have a "safety net" around them, be it strictly financial or not, provided by their background.

Wherever I like it or not, I know that if my business fails tomorrow, my family will be there for me. It can be conscious or not, but for many of "us" entrepreneur, we took a risk and consciously or not, we have a safety net.

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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$100k after tax (including stock) is basically starting salary in the valley for 22-year-old college graduates at big companies.

SV salary levels are not the norm across the industry. Furthermore, these high salaries in places like SV are often displaced by the extreme cost of living.

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Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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I'm sorry, I am going to call this nonsense. I am second generation from immigrants who arrived at these shores with nothing but the clothes on their backs. They escaped Genocide and other horrors. When they got here they grabbed whatever job they could. They had nothing. They saved their money. And when they could, they started their own small businesses (yes, both of my grandparents behaved the same way without kno…

You seem to think that by 'wealth' they mean access to millions of dollars. Even 'sustain comfort' and have a little something leftover levels of wealth is not available to a sizable percentage of people in the US.

No I don't.

As many have pointed out in this thread, the world is full of entrepreneurs who come from very little and make it happen.

To me saying "I have nothing" is just an excuse. Particularly in the US. If you want to make something happen, you can, it will not be handed to you, but you can.

What these studies never look at (because it is virtually impossible) are the massive numbers of businesses that start from "wealth" and fail miserably. I know people who were handed money and had no worries about failing. And, guess what, most of them fail. Why? Frankly, I don't know the exact mechanism. It has to be similar to folks who win the lottery and proceed to implode within a year or two. Or how about actors who make millions to shoot a movie in a few weeks and the best they can do with their lives in between movies is stuff drugs and alcohol into their bodies?

Nah, money may be a factor for some, but if someone doesn't truly want to be an entrepreneur you can throw millions at them and they'll just blow it.

Some of my favorite TV shows are "Kitchen Nightmares" with Gordon Ramsay, "The Profit" with Marcus Lemonis, "Make me a Millionaire Inventor" with George Zaidan and Deanne Bell and, of course, "Shark Tank".

I actually use them as teaching opportunities for my kids. We record episodes, watch them together and have discussions over dinner. The kids are good enough now that they can identify problems and patterns right away. Now we pause episodes and have discussions prior to the conclusions being revealed. The kids are getting a "virtual MBA" before they finish high school, which is great.

A common thread in a number of these shows are people who either inherit their businesses (lots of that in the restaurant show or The Profit) and proceed to run it into the ground. Almost nothing could be a stronger demonstration that money isn't a success factor in entrepreneurship than to see someone quite literally being HANDED a FULL WORKING BUSINESS only to proceed to destroy it. Why? Lack of focus, grit, drive, etc. All the qualities I mentioned in my prior post. I've seen shows where people end-up hundreds of dollars in debt because they simply had no engagement until someone from the outside slapped the shit out of them in a figurative way and got them to actually work on the business.

Money is just another tool, like 3D printer or a laptop. Millions of people have very expensive laptops. Most, from an entrepreneurial perspective, utterly waste them on Facebook and playing games. At the other end of the scale, a true entrepreneur with grit and determination can grab a second hand piece of shit PC, load Linux into it, use a bunch of free tools, learn to code and make something happen.

Entrepreneurship isn't about money.

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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The article is arguing as if Social Darwinism is an accepted theory of business success. Is it really? I don't think so. I followed several of the links the article was using to support the Social Darwinism claim. One only was actually making that claim (inc.com) and it was obvious pseudo-science, it has the wonderful line: "Self-employment income is heritable". To the people taking offense to this because they didn'…

> I followed several of the links the article was using to support the Social Darwinism claim. One only was actually making that claim (inc.com) and it was obvious pseudo-science, it has the wonderful line: "Self-employment income is heritable".

Your post confuses me, because I think you're lumping two very different -- almost contradictory -- claims together under the vague banner of "Social Darwinism".

The inc.com article you are referring to suggests a biological mechanism (DNA molecules and genes), while this article refers to a purely social mechanism ($$$, influence of kin, learned behaviors.)

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

#146

Ten years back, when I was fresh out of college, I joined a startup - not as a founder but as the first employee. A lot of it was driven by reading Paul Graham's essays, and I was naive and immature enough to believe that I was doing something great (as an aside, I came from an economically disadvantaged family; and every cent of my assets today is something I have earned and not something which I have inherited or o…

I agree with you but with one important caveat.

The difference is that today you can build a side project on the side while working in a company and hopefully build something up that way. This wasn't possible 20 years ago in the same way.

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lesson from this is don't drink anyone's kool aid consciously. PG has a huge incentive to wax heroic about the "risk takers" "makers" and "founders"; it's the Silicon Valley cargo cult, and should be compensated against in the mind of the reader. Always be brutally critical of applying the question of qui bono-- always, no exceptions, ever. PG has little incentive to explicitly qualify ideas that are his foundati…

> taking you down a peg. Like, back to first base, say?

Or at the back of the rotation, maybe even playing for the farm team rather than the Show.

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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A suggestion for the disclaimer: *this advice only applies to upper middle class white males based in Silicon Valley(or at least the US), who own trendy startups that have raised some VC funding

You don't have to be a white male to be an upper middle class startup founder.

Yeah but then you typically have to drop out from Stanford.

Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money

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You don't have to be a white male to be an upper middle class startup founder.

Yeah but then you typically have to drop out from Stanford.

That still does not make sense.
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