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If you were choosing today, would you recommend choosing Elixir over Go for web/back-end development? Would you say Go is more suited for high-performance command-line tools, and Elixir for long-term running stuff? I'm an indie developer building such a back-end (social networking/chat space), have full choice of language. Started using Go earlier this year and mostly happy with it. Should I switch to Elixir in my ne…
If you were choosing today, would you recommend choosing Elixir over Go for web/back-end development? Would you say Go is more suited for high-performance command-line tools, and Elixir for long-term running stuff? I'm an indie developer building such a back-end (social networking/chat space), have full choice of language. Started using Go earlier this year and mostly happy with it. Should I switch to Elixir in my ne…
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The presence of a type system definitely improves maintainability, however it is only one of many factors. Being C and Haskell both statically typed, are they equally suitable for long term development? For example, Elixir is a more "strict" dynamic language than your usual Python/Ruby/Javascript. Data is immutable. There is no monkey patching. Most state changes happen explicitly via process communication. The macro…
> The presence of a type system definitely improves maintainability, however it is only one of many factors. Being C and Haskell both statically typed, are they equally suitable for long term development? They're both statically typed, but the type systems obviously aren't equal. I would argue that stricter types are in fact one of the main things that helps me be more productive in languages with MLish type systems…
That was his point.
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my employer uses erlang because it's a huge leap forward operationally over ruby/python/go/java. the erlang/otp concept of a release is extremely straightforward and reliable and the beam (erlang/elixir vm) run time introspection and debugging tools are second to none. it's trivial to attach to any running application and get a REPL with full access to the environment. you can even update running code in place
how do people typically put security (authentication and authorization) around this? You wouldn't want just anyone to be able to connect to your running apps, of course. From what I saw in Elixir, there's some kind of cookie/session key that you can specify, but is that it or is there more?
If you were choosing today, would you recommend choosing Elixir over Go for web/back-end development? Would you say Go is more suited for high-performance command-line tools, and Elixir for long-term running stuff? I'm an indie developer building such a back-end (social networking/chat space), have full choice of language. Started using Go earlier this year and mostly happy with it. Should I switch to Elixir in my ne…
> Would you say Go is more suited for high-performance command-line tools, and Elixir for long-term running stuff?
Like Go isn't very high performance. See for yourself: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ (I know, lies, damn lies and benchmarks, but it's the best we got!). Elixir is it good for marathons because it's based on Erlang and Ericsson claims six nines uptime? Just use the tech you find is most FUN to work with because it's better to have fun programming than being bored.
If you were choosing today, would you recommend choosing Elixir over Go for web/back-end development? Would you say Go is more suited for high-performance command-line tools, and Elixir for long-term running stuff? I'm an indie developer building such a back-end (social networking/chat space), have full choice of language. Started using Go earlier this year and mostly happy with it. Should I switch to Elixir in my ne…
My advice would be to find out for yourself and don't believe the hype: > Would you say Go is more suited for high-performance command-line tools, and Elixir for long-term running stuff? Like Go isn't very high performance. See for yourself: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ (I know, lies, damn lies and benchmarks, but it's the best we got!). Elixir is it good for marathons because it's based on Erlang and Eri…
In the end you could use both, use the right tool for the job.
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It's great having new people, but hopefully we'll avoid the clusterfuck of gems and node modules that are the hallmark of the perpetually-immature web development community.
I know you're being downvoted but I 100% agree with you. I don't want 100,000 Hex packages. I want a few thousand packages that solve problems really well and people rally around and collaborate on them. NPM and RubyGems are casualties of people seeking open source fame and I hope we can avoid that in Elixir.
Please don't participate in the "modern web", thanks.
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There are at least a few in the works that I'm aware of
Could you provide some links / info on where we can find them? Personally I've got a few books on elixir (one written by you), but I'd like to get as many resources as possible for Phoenix.
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Elixir is easier to deploy than Python/Ruby. Since Elixir compiles down to bytecode all you need installed on a server is the BEAM (the name of Erlang's virtual machine). It's not as simple as a binary but is still a significant improvement over git-based deployments.
Wouldn't you have to pull the elixir source and then compile the bytecode on the boxes you're deploying onto? Forgive me if I've missed something. I'm just getting excited about elixir at this stage.
We use "mix release" to build the tarball, scp to the server and unpack, then run using an upstart unit which runs "exec su -s /bin/sh -c 'exec "$0" "$@"' myuser -- /path/to/deploy/directory/bin/myapp foreground"
It's pretty painless. We are automating with Fabric now, but will likely be switching to Ansible soon.
