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Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by mands »

Slightly off-topic, but can someone familiar with both Elixir and Erlang explain what Elixir provides in comparison to Erlang.

I'm looking into using Erlang for a new project that requires extensive scaling and concurrency and am coming from a functional background so may be more comfortable with the traditional Erlang syntax. However it seems that perhaps more development and activity is happening on the Elixir side of things and it may be more productive in terms of tooling, libraries (such as Phoenix and Ecto), and support.

Thanks!

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by ChuckMcM »

chrismccord wrote: post #59
ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

Getting to 1.0 is really awesome. Although I have a lot of 'framework fatigue' at this point, what would be really helpful for me would be why this framework is better than the dozen other frameworks along any number of axes, say "time to develop", "spinning up new developers", "obsolecence protection", anything which would provide a compelling story why this instead of Angular or React or Bootstrap or Eve or anythin…

I don't have time for a longer response at the moment, but Angular/React are front-end frameworks, and Bootstrap is a css framework. In case you missed the 2nd sentence: > Phoenix is set to take on the world whether you're building APIs, HTML5 applications, or network services for native devices. My NDC Oslo talk (linked in this thread) would answer your questions if you have the time to watch it. I give a high-level…

Thanks Chris, my suggestion is that you link that talk on the announcement page too, my guess is that other people who are looking at Phoenix for the very first time since its now 1.0 will benefit from that information.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by hansihe »

mands wrote: post #61

Slightly off-topic, but can someone familiar with both Elixir and Erlang explain what Elixir provides in comparison to Erlang. I'm looking into using Erlang for a new project that requires extensive scaling and concurrency and am coming from a functional background so may be more comfortable with the traditional Erlang syntax. However it seems that perhaps more development and activity is happening on the Elixir side…

I have worked a bit with elixir and erlang lately, but i'm not means an expert. I have to say, the biggest advantage elixir has against erlang for me is the macro system. It seems to manage to combine a ruby-like syntax with lisp-like macros, and it works incredibly well. Because of this it is very easy to create DSLs.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by rickr »

krashidov wrote: post #60

Are there any libraries to help with authentication in Phoenix? I couldn't find anything in the docs.

I haven't done much with Phoenix but I think there are a few libraries out there. I think addict is the front runner:

https://github.com/trenpixster/addict

https://github.com/opendrops/passport

Also here's a nice blog post that was in the elixir newsletter that may help!

http://nithinbekal.com/posts/phoenix-authentication/

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by xolubi »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

Getting to 1.0 is really awesome. Although I have a lot of 'framework fatigue' at this point, what would be really helpful for me would be why this framework is better than the dozen other frameworks along any number of axes, say "time to develop", "spinning up new developers", "obsolecence protection", anything which would provide a compelling story why this instead of Angular or React or Bootstrap or Eve or anythin…

This doesn't compare to the frameworks you mentioned in that regard. It's a framework for the Elixir language, not another JS framework.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by ryanSrich »

chrismccord wrote: post #10
happyfriend wrote: post #9

Does phoenix require javascript, or just this announcement page? I see a big block of text mixed with json... Not so good for noscript users and search engines that don't load JS.

We use readme.io to host our guides and blog. They use angular I believe, so maybe a hiccup on their end? Phoenix itself targets html/form, spa's, and api's alike.

Interesting. Any reason why it's not built with Phoenix? It seems like docs would be a perfect use case for such a framework.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by kungfooguru »

mands wrote: post #61

Slightly off-topic, but can someone familiar with both Elixir and Erlang explain what Elixir provides in comparison to Erlang. I'm looking into using Erlang for a new project that requires extensive scaling and concurrency and am coming from a functional background so may be more comfortable with the traditional Erlang syntax. However it seems that perhaps more development and activity is happening on the Elixir side…

I'm a long time Erlang programmer and still prefer Erlang. But anyone who asks about web programming I point to Phoenix. So if you are doing a web app, or have a web component, I'd suggest Elixir and Phoenix for that part :)

Erlang developer tooling does need work. But we are getting there, we have a new build tool http://www.rebar3.org/ that also combines forces with Elixir for the package management https://github.com/hexpm/rebar3_hex

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by houshuang »

msandford wrote: post #45

Does Elixir have any kind of signal processing capabilities ala numpy/scipy for the Python ecosystem? I'm doing some stuff right now using a django/nodejs hybrid system (glued together manually) and I'd love to be able to do everything in one language. But the DSP support (seemingly) isn't there in the javascript ecosystem yet. I'd really love something built on erlang because of all the theoretical problems that jus…

There's very little in terms of analytics, statistics, machine learning libraries etc. There also isn't a common dataframe like structure.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by arca_vorago »

Has anyone gotten Elixir and Phoenix talking with VoltDB via JSON/BSON or anything else? That's something I've been working on but got distracted with other projects.

Loving Erlang/Elixir/Phoenix, I really feel it is going to scale very well.

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