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Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by rufugee »

rubiquity wrote: post #48
rufugee wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked with multiple ORMs (Hibernate, Rails ActiveRecord, and Grails GORM), and I've always been able to easily switch betweens RDBMS's unless I specifically decided to step out of the ORM and use a DB-specific feature or query. I'm not sure what you mean here?

By switching I mean I want one query to go to this database and another query to go to a completely different database at the same time. Can you do this in other ORMs? Yes. Does it almost always involve a third party library that monkey patches your ORM's connection pool? Yes.

Ok, that's more clear. I've only had to do this once, and I did indeed use a third-party plugin that monkeyed all over.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by chrismccord »

ffn wrote: post #33

This is awesome! I've been working with Phoenix for a bit now, and aside from the fact hex/phoenix doesn't yet have all the libraries that rubygems/rails have, Phoenix has blown my expectations out of the water. For such a big and complex framework, the entire functional plug system (functional is love, functional is life) makes the whole thing easy to grok in a way utterly unimaginable in a traditional rails framewo…

Pretty much what rubiquity said. Inflection was causing confusion and explicit > implicit almost always, so we decided to drop it.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Getting to 1.0 is really awesome. Although I have a lot of 'framework fatigue' at this point, what would be really helpful for me would be why this framework is better than the dozen other frameworks along any number of axes, say "time to develop", "spinning up new developers", "obsolecence protection", anything which would provide a compelling story why this instead of Angular or React or Bootstrap or Eve or anything else for that matter.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by k3d3 »

skrause wrote: post #43

If this framework gets too popular they'll probably rename it to Firebird. Let's just hope there isn't already another open source software called Firebird.

And then after that they'll rename it to Firefox

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by rhizome31 »

oomkiller wrote: post #35

After spending nearly 7 years in the Ruby and Rails ecosystem, I changed jobs and have been working in with Elixir and Phoenix for nearly 3 months. I have been very satisfied with the process. The community is amazing, the tooling is unbeatable, and the quality and availability of open source libraries is great, especially for such a young project. The future looks very bright for Elixir and Phoenix!

Do you mind sharing what kind of project you develop? And even maybe what company you work for?

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by k3d3 »

rco8786 wrote: post #30
ffn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can use phoenix without any javascript, it'll serve up regular html pages just fine. You only need the js if you plan on using sockets to connect to Phoenix's endpoints.

OP is asking about the phoenix web page, not phoenix itself.

Actually he was asking about both

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by andyl »

pbreit wrote: post #26

When people choose to build on a more esoteric language such as Elixir (and to lesser extent Erlang) is it because what they want to do simply is not possible in Ruby/Python/Go/JavaScript/etc or just less efficient, elegant, productive, etc?

I use Elixir/Phoenix on mobile multi-core arm devices because it uses memory efficiently and has off-the-shelf support for multi-core concurrency.

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by dugmartin »

jerelunruh wrote: post #24

I primarily use Django REST Framework for APIs... has anyone moved from Django to Phoenix and can give a report on how the developer productivity compares currently? If it's not there yet I'm sure it will get there as the community grows but how is it now?

If you are doing REST apis and are interested in Elixir I'd recommend checking out Trot (https://github.com/hexedpackets/trot). If is a lightweight wrapper around Plug (Exilir's middleware framework) and Cowboy (Elixir's native http server).

Re: Phoenix 1.0

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Post by chrismccord »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

Getting to 1.0 is really awesome. Although I have a lot of 'framework fatigue' at this point, what would be really helpful for me would be why this framework is better than the dozen other frameworks along any number of axes, say "time to develop", "spinning up new developers", "obsolecence protection", anything which would provide a compelling story why this instead of Angular or React or Bootstrap or Eve or anythin…

I don't have time for a longer response at the moment, but Angular/React are front-end frameworks, and Bootstrap is a css framework. In case you missed the 2nd sentence:

> Phoenix is set to take on the world whether you're building APIs, HTML5 applications, or network services for native devices.

My NDC Oslo talk (linked in this thread) would answer your questions if you have the time to watch it. I give a high-level overview of Phoenix, Elixir, and the Erlang virtual machine and the virtues of how it all fits together. I'll try to get back later with a broader overview.

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