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Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by tw04 »

greglindahl wrote: post #210
tw04 wrote: post #95

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How ridiculous would it be for a car company to give you a lifetime unlimited supply of gasoline - but you have to wait in line 30 minutes for it every time. And oh by the way, it's an hour from your house, and you'll use a third of a tank getting there and back. And there's only like 200 stations total worldwide. So... awesome, right? Oh, and we built the cost of those stations into the car, so it's not REALLY free.…

You don't have to "wait in line 30 minutes for it every time". Please: make your point without exaggerating.

The recharge takes 30 minutes...

>What should I do if all Supercharger stalls are occupied when I arrive? Check to see if current users have left contact information on their dashboard and give them a call. Most customers charge for 20 to 40 minutes.

http://www.teslamotors.com/support/supercharging

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by dragontamer »

greglindahl wrote: post #208
dragontamer wrote: post #152

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This is actually a clever marketing trick by Elon Musk. You cannot upgrade a Roadster, and you cannot upgrade the P70 models either. Tesla has been pretty unclear about their modularity and upgrades. Be careful when reading marketing material: these marketing slides open your imagination but aren't necessarily filled with the truth. They've kept things vague to help stir our imaginations... but don't go dropping $70,…

Actually, Tesla does plan on shipping an upgrade to existing Roadsters. It'll be expensive and probably later than claimed, but there you have it: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/roadster-30 http://gas2.org/2015/05/05/340-mile-tesla-roadster-upgrade-d... I agree with your comment that it's easy to fantasize about upgrades that will never happen. Early Model S cars lack the hardware for driving assistance, and my frie…

Thanks for the information.

When specifics come out, I think its sane to trust them. The political fall out if Roadsters upgrades aren't delivered is too great.

> Early Model S cars lack the hardware for driving assistance, and my friends who think they know about such things predict that additional computer power will be needed to achieve all that Elon is predicting for self-driving.

Yeah, this is the danger I'm trying to warn against. It isn't necessarily that Elon Musk or Tesla is "lying" to people, they're just vague about upgrade packages. So dreamers begin to dream and some misunderstandings may occur.

Its best to wait for specifics, like that Roadster info you've linked.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by greglindahl »

tw04 wrote: post #211
greglindahl wrote: post #210

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You don't have to "wait in line 30 minutes for it every time". Please: make your point without exaggerating.

The recharge takes 30 minutes... >What should I do if all Supercharger stalls are occupied when I arrive? Check to see if current users have left contact information on their dashboard and give them a call. Most customers charge for 20 to 40 minutes. http://www.teslamotors.com/support/supercharging

It is not the case that you have to "wait in line 30 minutes for it every time". I've waited in line for 5 minutes, twice, out of the couple of dozen times I've supercharged. The other times there was a free charger when I arrived.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by tw04 »

greglindahl wrote: post #213
tw04 wrote: post #211

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The recharge takes 30 minutes... >What should I do if all Supercharger stalls are occupied when I arrive? Check to see if current users have left contact information on their dashboard and give them a call. Most customers charge for 20 to 40 minutes. http://www.teslamotors.com/support/supercharging

It is not the case that you have to "wait in line 30 minutes for it every time". I've waited in line for 5 minutes, twice, out of the couple of dozen times I've supercharged. The other times there was a free charger when I arrived.

If you waited 5 minutes, you were at 3/4 of a charge. Physics dictate how fast you can charge a battery, and it isn't faster than 30 minutes if you're at 1/4 or less.

I can only ask: why would you bother recharging at 3/4 of a charge? I've literally never in my life stopped to top off my tank at 3/4 of a tank of gasoline.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by greglindahl »

tw04 wrote: post #214
greglindahl wrote: post #213

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It is not the case that you have to "wait in line 30 minutes for it every time". I've waited in line for 5 minutes, twice, out of the couple of dozen times I've supercharged. The other times there was a free charger when I arrived.

If you waited 5 minutes, you were at 3/4 of a charge. Physics dictate how fast you can charge a battery, and it isn't faster than 30 minutes if you're at 1/4 or less. I can only ask: why would you bother recharging at 3/4 of a charge? I've literally never in my life stopped to top off my tank at 3/4 of a tank of gasoline.

"Wait in line" means I'm unable to get to a charger because they're all occupied by other cars. That explains why your comments are so confusing.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Nadya wrote: post #52
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I think people who haven't actually driven one (or haven't driven one beyond a test drive, anyway) think that it's too distracting, too hard to control things while driving, or something along those lines. I had the same concerns initially, but they disappeared after trying it out. It's really well done and not a problem in practice.

If I want to press the fourth button from the left while driving - with a tactile button I can reach, count over the three buttons as my finger slides across them, and press the fourth button. Without removing my eyes from the road. With touch buttons I need to look at the screen which takes my eyes off the road . Even if it's for 1/2 a second. 1/2 a second is the cause of many accidents. I'd prefer having physical b…

Counting buttons is no less distracting than a quick glance away from the road. If you don't have time to glance at a screen, you shouldn't be messing with physical buttons either.

The trouble starts when the UI is designed poorly enough to require more than just a glance.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by tw04 »

greglindahl wrote: post #215
tw04 wrote: post #214

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If you waited 5 minutes, you were at 3/4 of a charge. Physics dictate how fast you can charge a battery, and it isn't faster than 30 minutes if you're at 1/4 or less. I can only ask: why would you bother recharging at 3/4 of a charge? I've literally never in my life stopped to top off my tank at 3/4 of a tank of gasoline.

"Wait in line" means I'm unable to get to a charger because they're all occupied by other cars. That explains why your comments are so confusing.

Filling up my gas tank takes roughly 90 seconds. The only equivalent is "waiting in line". There wouldn't ever be a circumstance in which it would take 30 minutes to fill my tank.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

kylec wrote: post #188
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Driving at 1 AM from Plattsburgh, NY to Albany, NY, I did worry about whether I would run out of fuel. Including seeing an exit sign for a gas station, and driving a mile out the exit only to find it was closed, only to turn around and get back on the highway with fuel running low. Driving from Youngstown, Ohio to Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania at 1 AM, I also worried about running out of fuel. People I know who travel a…

True, even gas stations don't have 100% coverage, but it's much, much better than EV charger coverage. Imagine you had a Tesla that was running out of power in those situations you mentioned: do you think it would have been easier to find a charging station that it was to find a gas station?

Yes. Every house has electricity. People would look at you funny, but it can be done.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by mikeash »

kylec wrote: post #204
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Ways in which it's worse: range. Interior is debatable and subjective. The only concrete thing where it's worse is range. And everybody acknowledges that as far as I can see. The problem is that a lot of people don't understand how the stuff works, and imagine that the ways in which the Tesla is worse are much worse than they really are. Edit: range and price, actually. But everybody mentions the price too. Don't mis…

Here are the downsides that I see. Maybe not all of these are downsides for you , but they are things that might prevent people from buying one as their only car: - price - range - needing to have a charging port at your residence - charging time - charger availability Some of these are related. If refuel time and fuel availability were improved to be comparable to gas cars, range wouldn't be a big issue, and people…

That's reasonable. Just a matter of what you consider to be the root cause, I suppose.

I will note that general availability is extremely good, but it's availability of fast charging that is currently somewhat problematic. If you're patient, you can charge just about anywhere. If you count 120V exterior outlets (and why not, they do work, just slowly) then there are a lot more places to charge an EV than fill a gas car in the US. If your average daily driving is under 50 miles then you can get by on that, although I wouldn't recommend it if there are alternatives.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by greglindahl »

tw04 wrote: post #217
greglindahl wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wait in line" means I'm unable to get to a charger because they're all occupied by other cars. That explains why your comments are so confusing.

Filling up my gas tank takes roughly 90 seconds. The only equivalent is "waiting in line". There wouldn't ever be a circumstance in which it would take 30 minutes to fill my tank.

The words "wait in line" mean something particular, and it isn't how you're using them. I agree that people charging Teslas at SuperChargers often spend 30 minutes charging. They do not "wait in line" to do so, unless all the chargers are full when they arrive.
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