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Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by intherdfield »

beachstartup wrote: post #71
adam12 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't make them responsible. I just don't think someone should be driving like that unless they are on a test track.

i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver and need to learn how to merge. when you're merging into a river of steel doing 80mph and you're doing 45 because you're watching the consumption meter on your hybrid, you're an asshole.

> i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an > on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. > > perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits.

It's not perfectly legal. Look up reckless driving or exhibition of speed laws. If you have a modern performance car and you do this in front of a cop, you're very likely to get a ticket. (An older car's full throttle might be too slow to concern a police officer and the laws are vague to allow the police officer's discretion.)

One can't legally use a performance car as advertised on public roads.

> in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver

I think you just mean you have to be at appropriate speed for a safe merge, but is full throttle really required? Unlikely.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by dragontamer »

mschuster91 wrote: post #133

What I'd really like to see, and Tesla is already beginning to do it, is modular, upgrade-able cars. Like, a new engine, better in-car entertainment, better sound system, seat-heating, cruise control, distance control, semi/full automatic driving... if I could e.g. buy a stripped down Tesla as a student which I can then (given, of course, I don't crash it) upgrade over its lifetime as I put some money aside, instead…

This is actually a clever marketing trick by Elon Musk. You cannot upgrade a Roadster, and you cannot upgrade the P70 models either.

Tesla has been pretty unclear about their modularity and upgrades. Be careful when reading marketing material: these marketing slides open your imagination but aren't necessarily filled with the truth. They've kept things vague to help stir our imaginations... but don't go dropping $70,000 on vague promises.

When Tesla starts actually making modular cars, we'll know the details. Until then, treat these promises as marketing and/or vaporware. I'm sure Elon Musk is going to push his company to actually deliver on his promises, but sometimes engineers can only do so much.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by loceng »

punee wrote: post #89
loceng wrote: post #12

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In highschool, grade 11 computer science I got 101% end of year grade; the average of the class was 100%: the person who got 99% was barely in class however completed their assignments, and I got 101% because I would quickly finish my assignments and then was happy and excited to help others if they were running into trouble. I quite wish my other classes were scored that way as well... TL;DR There's nothing wrong gi…

/r/iamverysmart

Had nothing to do with smarts, I just had been using computers and started to teach myself programming at 11 years old.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by greglindahl »

kylec wrote: post #80
mikeash wrote: post #55

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Do you drive more than 250 miles in a day on a regular basis? When you do drive that far, do you do it on routes that aren't covered by Tesla's Supercharger network? As a daily driver, the Tesla is easier to deal with than a normal car. With a normal car, you have to worry about how much gas you have, when and where you'll stop to fill up, etc. My Model S is full in the morning every time. For trips that exceed the r…

I live in Massachusetts, and I regularly visit my parents in Maine, which is about 270 miles away. There are no Superchargers along the route, at my parents' house, nor indeed anywhere in Maine. I also live in an apartment, and there is no electric car charging here, so I'd probably have to frequent the local Supercharger to keep it topped off. The "etc" covers things like not having physical controls for adjusting t…

People with situations like yours (bad parking situation, like to drive long trips along unpopular routes) sure like to complain about it on HN. Not sure if it adds anything to the discussion about the customers Tesla needs to convince to make them successful in the next year or two.

BTW, different people have different likes and dislikes about car interiors.

Sounds like you should buy a car you like.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by alan_cx »

johnnyg wrote: post #51
adam12 wrote: post #47

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> great marketing for Tesla Yeah, until someone dies from this sort of reckless driving.

I don't think Telsa providing a given feature set makes them responsible for the misuse of it.

Dunno about the US, but here in the UK, if someone were to die in a car equipped with a button labeled "insane", for our tabloid press, that button would be the main focus and the car manufacturer would be hauled over the coals based on that alone. It would be sold to readers that having such a button encouraged insanity on the roads, and the manufacturer would be claimed to be irresponsible for having such a button. Oh, that would be true, even if the manufacturer could prove that the button was never used.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by busted »

sp332 wrote: post #97
dragontamer wrote: post #67

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I'm a fan of "fastest Laguna Seca Lap". But I know a bunch of "American Muscle" guys who only care about 0-60. But I prefer statistics that include a combination of good turns, tight handling, AND strong acceleration. Tesla performs horribly on Laguna Lap, but so do all the American Muscle cars. You basically need a low-weight car with high acceleration to do well. Other raceway times are also interesting. But that's…

The list, if anyone's looking for it http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

I think it's funny that list has 2 different Porsche 911's (2001 & 2004) a few spots under a 2013 Ford Fiesta ST, and above that a Focus ST just above another 911 S.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by SilasX »

mikeash wrote: post #48
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #43

How can you exceed your max value? This has always bothered me, its pretty much admitting "We kinda pull numbers out of our butts." When I see this in other media, like movies or games, it seems to be a direct response to hype or personal politics. Maybe CR is overly green and wants to promote EV's? Reminds me of when Obama got a Nobel Peace prize for things he will do in the future. Also, the Simpsons did it first:…

I think people are making too big of a deal about scoring greater than the "maximum." It's pretty clear that they came up with some arbitrary scoring system where each aspect of the car gets some number of points. There's nothing wrong with that, any rating is going to be arbitrary to some degree. They then arranged the scales such that whatever they saw as a good car would come close to 100, because 100 seems like a…

Similar issue with the "Coefficient of Performance" in heating and cooling[1], which is the ratio of "energy extracted" to "energy consumed". Since you're just moving energy around, this value can easily be greater than 100% -- no violation of the laws of thermodynamics! 100% is just as arbitrary a value on this scale. .

However, there's still always a relevant maximum that you should measure relative to, and refrigerators have a theoretical maximum. The maximum ("Carnot") efficiency is the ratio of the higher (absolute) temperature to the temperature difference. For room temperature to freezing, that would be ~300/27 = 11.1 = 1100%.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_performance

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by beachstartup »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #149
beachstartup wrote: post #141

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are you new to the car scene? you sound exactly like a car forum troll from the 90s. like word for word.

I'm 32 and male. I'm from the practical scene, not the car scene.

right. not a car guy, yet you're on the internet arguing about cars, which is awfully strange.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by greglindahl »

rmckayfleming wrote: post #42
eclipxe wrote: post #27

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"doesn't have a huge iPad in the dashboard" Why is this a bad thing?

As someone who lives in Canada, I want to be able to adjust heat, radio, etc with gloves on.

You can do that from the steering wheel, but, if you do want to use the touch screen with gloves on, they've been making gloves with special tips for years now. Lots of places sell them, including Tesla's accessories shop. It's the same stuff you need to work your phone with gloves on.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by beachstartup »

intherdfield wrote: post #151
beachstartup wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver and need to learn how to merge. when you're merging into a river of steel doing 80mph and you're doing 45 because you're watching the consumption meter on your hybrid, you're an asshole.

> i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an > on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. > > perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. It's not perfectly legal. Look up reckless driving or exhibition of speed laws. If you have a modern performance car and you do this in front of a cop, you're very likely to get a ticket. (An older car's full throttle might be too slow to…

that's great, but i'm still going to do it if it's illegal. i'll just deal with the consequences.
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