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Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by repsilat » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 1:59 PM UTC

so0k wrote: post #22

jamestomasino wrote: post #2

What a fantastically designed and executed site! I love the attention to detail all the way across the responsive sizes. Great work.

except if you are half way and resize the window, then maximize - it fails (chrome on windows 10)

I couldn't read the article at all -- there was a big blue "title page" that I couldn't get to go away by scrolling down or clicking anywhere.

It got better when I resized the page, though only somewhat -- some page widths did "nice" things (like having a simple header at the top), but others gave the awful expanding blue header thing. With that header I'd scroll down to get to the content, then I'd have to scroll back up again to get to the content that I'd scrolled past :-/

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by nhangen » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:02 PM UTC

peatmoss wrote: post #4

Fascinating history. It's strange to see what the various jujitsu-descended arts choose as their comfort level with injury. The traditional jujitsu ryu had lots of maming / killing techniques, which have been taken out and readded depending on the art: Judo focused on making a very safe art that could be applied full-intensity in a sporting context. Aikido focussed on making a purely defensive art. Then Gracie jujits…

Watch the very first UFC tournaments...the ones where Royce Gracie won. You'll see something much different than what you see now. Modern UFC training is a blend of BJJ, Kickboxing, boxing, and other disciplines. Royce didn't use much of that, if any.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by toadi » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:08 PM UTC

dbs wrote: post #36

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is less about the show and more about a philosophy of life. Being trained in the arts many years ago, things like "a body is as strong as its weakest link", have served me well in life and business. I don't know of any other martial art where your formative years are spent being kicked up in the ass. You learn how to survive under very harsh conditions and how to be resilient. You don't need to be…

You know in Brazil BJJ was for the rich kids? Thai boks was more for the poor people.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by ropman76 » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:10 PM UTC

mikekchar wrote: post #34

peatmoss wrote: post #4

Fascinating history. It's strange to see what the various jujitsu-descended arts choose as their comfort level with injury. The traditional jujitsu ryu had lots of maming / killing techniques, which have been taken out and readded depending on the art: Judo focused on making a very safe art that could be applied full-intensity in a sporting context. Aikido focussed on making a purely defensive art. Then Gracie jujits…

I'm not a aikido-ist, but I've had some friends who were very high level. They explained to me the origin of aikido was as a technique that policemen could use with plausible deniability. When people watch someone fight against an aikido-ist they see: "The guy charged at him and something happened and then the guy ran right into that lamp post and knocked himself out". Whether that is really true, or I misinterpreted…

One of the things I enjoy about Aikido is that many of the techniques have "nice" and "not so nice" variations. The ikkyo technique can put an opponent on the ground with a minimal amount of pain. The nikyo technique is similar in some ways but can hurt a heck of a lot more because of the way the wrist is manipulated. I am guessing your friend(s) was illustrating that aikido has some nice ways of inducing compliance and some "not so nice" wrist breaking ways of inducing compliance.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by crazyjayd » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:11 PM UTC

V-2 wrote: post #43

I wonder if there are any HN-ers actually practicing bjj? Purple belt here

Been training since 2007. Started in ATT, now in Boston, training.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by scott_s » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:13 PM UTC

V-2 wrote: post #43

I wonder if there are any HN-ers actually practicing bjj? Purple belt here

Brown belt. I've been training over ten years now.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by romaniv » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:15 PM UTC

dbs wrote: post #36

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is less about the show and more about a philosophy of life. Being trained in the arts many years ago, things like "a body is as strong as its weakest link", have served me well in life and business. I don't know of any other martial art where your formative years are spent being kicked up in the ass. You learn how to survive under very harsh conditions and how to be resilient. You don't need to be…

> I don't know of any other martial art where

I don't know any other martial art where so many practitioners claim that their MA is, literally, the best.

From Gracie Academy website, which is the first one coming up in Google: "[...]Gracie or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is the most effective martial art on the planet[...]".

A little bit of modesty and camaraderie would go a long way here. A lot of martial arts have formative/spiritual components that help people out in life. Pretty much any real TMA which has proper training, beyond aggression and handing out belts.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by Nicholas_C » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:19 PM UTC

V-2 wrote: post #43

I wonder if there are any HN-ers actually practicing bjj? Purple belt here

Many years ago in a different life I practiced BJJ for a few years then got into MMA.

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by e40 » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:19 PM UTC

peatmoss wrote: post #4

Fascinating history. It's strange to see what the various jujitsu-descended arts choose as their comfort level with injury. The traditional jujitsu ryu had lots of maming / killing techniques, which have been taken out and readded depending on the art: Judo focused on making a very safe art that could be applied full-intensity in a sporting context. Aikido focussed on making a purely defensive art. Then Gracie jujits…

There are pure BJJ tournaments and they are the opposite of brutal. It's all technique and people don't get injured that often, unless Rousimar Palhares* is part of the tourney. He's famous for holding submissions far longer than he needs to, and causing damage. He's the exception, not the rule.

* http://fightland.vice.com/blog/rousimar-palhares-is-a-leg-lo...

Re: The Gracie jiu-jitsu story

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Post by sanoli » Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 2:20 PM UTC

roel_v wrote: post #49

sanoli wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying this in a time when every good mma athlete has a very respectable BJJ game. Before that, people stuck to their art. It was either BJJ guys winning, or big wrestlers. Then people started to get more well-rounded. But I remember watching fights in Brazil where there was almost ten different styles represented, including judo and wrestling. BJJ would win. When the others started learning BJJ it changed a l…

'BJJ', yes (although e.g. Pancrase which started around the time of UFC1 had skilled grapplers - if there had been a few more (besides Ken) Pancrase fighters 'seeded' in the early tournaments, history would've looked different), but not 'Gracie JJ'. There are still very good grapplers with the last name Gracie of course, but the whole 'worship us for we brought the light' (e.g. the 'Rickson is 400-0' spiel, 'we perfe…

Even here in Brazil the Gracies are respected, but their outrageous claims are not taken seriously anymore. Every BJJ practioner laughs at Rickson's 400 win crap, and if you go on local forums, nobody claims BJJ is more than one aspect of MMA, as important as the others. Hell, my BJJ lineage is from Fadda, who never learned if form a Gracie.