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Re: Amazon Curtails Development of Consumer Devices

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No first hand experience, but I've heard/read this many times that Bezos, Jobs, Gates, Ellison etc aren't good people to work for. Are there any bosses of mega corporations that are good to work for?

You don't hear about this crap from higher ups at Google. Same for current Microsoft leadership for that matter.

Page fired all of Google's project managers at one point. There were good reasons he got moved out of the CEO job for a while.

Re: Amazon Curtails Development of Consumer Devices

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>reason was so that people would think it's high end, and not dismiss it as a low/mid range phone. Wow, that is whole another level of disconnect with reality!

Making a low/mid range would have been just as bad of an idea. That range is way lower margin and the established players are way better at it. They had to go big or go home. They really should have gone home though.

The thing is, I think Amazon is fine with selling at low margins. Look at their Kindle devices.

If anything they don't need to make money from device sales if the phones come preinstalled with the Amazon market as they can make money off app sales and get more developer mindshare.

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The problem with the Fire Phone isn't the hardware, the hardware is great, the problem is Fire OS. No one wants a half baked Android fork and a walled garden. My wife purchased the Fire Phone during their last promotion, and within 15 minutes she was reflashing to CyanogenMod. The phone would have been successful if they had simply run stock Android, preloaded their own bloatware like Samsung does, and perhaps a dedi…

Wasn't the phone ridiculously expensive with lots of features that nobody wanted? Once again, betting on 3d leads to a loss.

Yes it was premium hardware; I believe it would have been successful as an Android phone.

My wife actually liked the gimmicky 3D. Go figure.

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It's amazing that Amazon thinks a useful feature is "ability to purchase stuff from Amazon faster". I don't make my decisions about products based on 1 touch ordering of supplies. If it solves a problem I have, great, but I certainly don't have an "Amazon ordering problem".

You have to understand that the company makes most of its money by selling stuff. One of the easiest ways to get your project approved there is to say "we'll increase sales by xx million." If you just tell the executives that you want to make a speaker voice thing or reorder button thing that customers will probably want a whole lot you won't get approval.

That's exactly what this whole thread is about: doing things that please the top level of the company but are hard to sell to actual customers.

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> a high-end computer for the kitchen It's Honeywell all over again! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_316#Kitchen_Computer

The marketing is reminiscent of Amazon's fantasy delivery drone. "the user interface required the user to complete a two-week course just to learn how to program the device, using only toggle-switch input and binary light output ... Although a fantasy gift, the Kitchen Computer represented the first time a computer was offered as a consumer product. "

Note the (not so retro) sexism in the advert: it's targeted at a man buying it for his wife due to his dissatisfaction with her home economics.

Re: Amazon Curtails Development of Consumer Devices

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The problem with the Fire Phone isn't the hardware, the hardware is great, the problem is Fire OS. No one wants a half baked Android fork and a walled garden. My wife purchased the Fire Phone during their last promotion, and within 15 minutes she was reflashing to CyanogenMod. The phone would have been successful if they had simply run stock Android, preloaded their own bloatware like Samsung does, and perhaps a dedi…

I'm not sure what walled garden you're talking about. You can install apps and app stores from whatever source you want, just like stock Android. You can't install Google Play, but that's because Google has restricted it, not Amazon. It seems like some kind of doublespeak to call something a walled garden when someone else built a wall around their app to keep you from planting it there.

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I don't get it why would they fire the team? Can they not be absorbed into other groups? Such a growing company like Amazon definitely needs more people right?

See all of the "why is Amazon such a terrible employer" articles on HN recently. They don't care about their people.

Re: Amazon Curtails Development of Consumer Devices

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Why is this always the case? I've been on a couple of projects that were complete flops, devs are always first to go. Meanwhile the idiots who actually wasted all the money and bloated the feature set start working on version "2.0".

Simple. If you are a designer, you can go work on another project. If you are a BA, you can go work on another project. If you are a manager, you can go work on another project. If you are an mobile developer/hardware engineer, and they aren't building any more OS/hardware, they can't move you onto another project.

And if you believe that this is what protects managers from getting fired, you don't have enough experience.

Managers have all sorts of ridiculous beliefs, but the root cause of management incompetence is this: that managers believe that a manager can manage anything. Running a store, developing a phone, building a house, designing a rocket to go to the moon, it's all the same thing according to them. Getting info, negotiate, motivate a team, giving speeches, running projects, ... Some go further in this, and some hold up the idea that something like "management science" exists.

This directly leads to the second ridiculous belief, which causes a feedback loop : that they can hire other managers anywhere, absolutely no concern for what they did before, as long as they had slightly less "reports" (so they are "promoted" into their new position), for any management function.

Then, of course the second belief leads to negotiation, to trading business efforts for jobs. If you make my department look good (internally "hire" us as consultants because your financial performance is down the crapper anyway and we'll hire you next quarter after your division gets nixed). Nothing is so damaging to companies, as the main thing being traded is making disasters far worse in trade for personal exits, but the people who'd have to do something about it are of course managers, who have negotiated for jobs and have further negotiation in place for moving up.

For "some reason" managers never ever start any company. Companies are started by people who actually know what the company is supposed to do. Companies are (were) started by mechanics, by engineers, by traders (ie. shop attendants), by software developers, sometimes by experienced investors, by ... The best companies were started by people who had the skills to do well in 2 different fields. Generally what happens is that at some point a deep and explosive conflict happens between these founders and some employees of their companies, and then someone is brought in to prevent this. In reality, this is normal. Meet enough people, raise the stakes high enough and you will clash very seriously with other people. And the bigger your company gets as a founder, the more is at stake, and the more people you will have to deal with. So a conflict escalating is a matter of time, but it is human nature to compensate : founders will bring in a manager to deal with this sort of thing, and then the job trading begins. As everybody who's held a job at a large company knows, this does not prevent personality clashes, quite the opposite, but once this position trading starts, it is incredibly hard to stop.

Re: Amazon Curtails Development of Consumer Devices

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The problem with the Fire Phone isn't the hardware, the hardware is great, the problem is Fire OS. No one wants a half baked Android fork and a walled garden. My wife purchased the Fire Phone during their last promotion, and within 15 minutes she was reflashing to CyanogenMod. The phone would have been successful if they had simply run stock Android, preloaded their own bloatware like Samsung does, and perhaps a dedi…

How did your wife flash to CM? I believe the Fire Phone bootloader is still locked, so I'm not really sure how that's possible.
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