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Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by task_queue »

rubicon33 wrote: post #255
task_queue wrote: post #248

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Hackers publicly exposed personal information but it is not the their fault that the personal information was publicly exposed? I'm not sure how this follows. You seem to be very glad society hasn't moved on from the "Name and Shame" game. The one that ends in death, violence and shame for everyone close to and including the named.

I believe in consequences, and personal responsibility. Yes, hacker's publicly exposed personal information, but it wasn't the personal information of Mother Teresa. I wonder if one's opinion on the ethical nature of this hack, hinges on your moral disposition on cheating/infidelity. I'll illuminate what I'm getting at, by asking you this hypothetical: If Ashley Madison were a website for child sex trafficking, and t…

> If Ashley Madison were a website for child sex trafficking, and the names of registrants were exposed, leading to arrests, and public shaming... How would you feel?

This is still an irresponsible exposure of personal information. This is still vigilante justice.

What happens to the people whose identities were stolen and used on that site? Their lives will be ruined.

It is not the public's responsibility to judge or prosecute/persecute. Give the database to the authorities.

> I'd be very surprised if you kept the same opinion, that publicly outing those individuals, was not a fit punishment for the crime. Given that, then this entire conversation is completely subjective, and based entirely on your opinion about cheating, lying, and infidelity.

This has nothing to do with what the people were doing and everything to do with mob justice and innocent people caught in the crossfire.

Public disclosure of personal information is irresponsible and hurts everyone associated with the exposed.

How is public shaming justice? Who are you to decide who and how to punish? What's an acceptable amount of innocent people to expose as cheaters/child traffickers? What about the amount of innocent family members and friends of the exposed that will get to experience this as well?

How many of the gay men in Saudi Arabia exposed by this hack are allowed to be stoned to death before the ends do not justify the public exposure?

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by [deleted] »

nkurz wrote: post #251
jasonlotito wrote: post #245

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> Is this the fault of the hackers? Yes. > I'd argue not. Wouldn't be much of an argument as you'd be wrong. Rather than going about other means to release this information privately, they dumped it on the world. They made that choice. > It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers. Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone who has to deal with the outcome of this? I know for a fact that y…

You are jumping to unfair conclusions about the person you are replying to. You clearly disagree with him, but this is offensive. You should delete it.

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Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by monochromatic »

jchrisa wrote: post #121
humanrebar wrote: post #68

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> Then that's a breach of contract between two private parties which is of absolutely no relevance to outside observers. That's one way to look at things. I happen to have a different philosophy about marriage, that it actually does affect other people, and since you're so understanding, I'm sure you'll grant that my philosophy is equally valid.

A little reading would let you know that there is a significant chunk of happily married people who don't think monogamy is for them. They think honesty is more important. I don't know if these folks are AM users or if they've got a better scene.

> significant chunk of happily married people who don't think monogamy is for them

There's a significant chunk that is ok with cheating. There's a far smaller chunk that's ok with the other person cheating.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by nkurz »

knob wrote: post #270
nkurz wrote: post #251

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You are jumping to unfair conclusions about the person you are replying to. You clearly disagree with him, but this is offensive. You should delete it.

Offensive how?

The declaration that "people like you are terrible, terrible evil people" is intentionally designed to offend the person to whom it is directed. It moves beyond the realm of civil conversation to a shouting match, and hence is inappropriate for a discussion forum. I (mostly) don't agree with 'rubicon33', but I'd prefer to keep an environment where his position can be discussed without personal insult.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by task_queue »

rubicon33 wrote: post #265
jasonlotito wrote: post #245

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> Is this the fault of the hackers? Yes. > I'd argue not. Wouldn't be much of an argument as you'd be wrong. Rather than going about other means to release this information privately, they dumped it on the world. They made that choice. > It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers. Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone who has to deal with the outcome of this? I know for a fact that y…

You've made some pretty significant assumptions, and in your childish rage, almost missed my point entirely. For starters, to say I don't give a damn about privacy, couldn't be more wrong. My point is about who to blame, for the negative impact on family members, spouses, children, etc. We shouldn't miss the mark. Blame the correct party. The "shame" that family members incur from this hack, is due to the NATURE OF T…

If you found out your friend's spouse was cheating, you would understand if people were upset if your idea of telling them was to post their pictures, address, relationship status and credit card number on every street corner in the neighborhood.

Also, you do it to people who weren't cheating at all. You don't even know them.

Then you start buying billboards.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by dang »

jasonlotito wrote: post #245
rubicon33 wrote: post #203

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In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some c…

> Is this the fault of the hackers? Yes. > I'd argue not. Wouldn't be much of an argument as you'd be wrong. Rather than going about other means to release this information privately, they dumped it on the world. They made that choice. > It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers. Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone who has to deal with the outcome of this? I know for a fact that y…

> people like you are terrible, terrible evil people. [...] You are awful.

Absolutely not allowed on HN. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly.

Please eliminate incivility from your comments here.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by svensken »

Tloewald wrote: post #183
x5n1 wrote: post #40

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The future is a future where no semblance of privacy exists. In the year 3000: "Truth about the ugliness of the human race will finally be revealed when every single detail about anyone's life is public knowledge available to all."

Once privacy disappears we can actually base our morality on data rather than wishful thinking. It's the transition period (i.e. now) where we have pretty arbitrary morals largely based on ancient religious texts, etc. and we're finally getting actual data on what people actually do that is the nasty part. E.g. we know that rich people have always obtained abortions, used illegal drugs, and had promiscuous sex, but p…

Humans have arbitrary morals in much the same way that wolves have arbitrary instincts to pack-hunt; many preceding generations have survived thanks to that particular characteristic, so the modern individuals abide by the behavior, not even fully aware that it happens to increase their chances of survival. The mechanism works the same both for adopted social behavior and for evolved instinct.

But I'd like to make the argument that the central moral imperatives put forth by the bible (as well as by many other religions) would exist as moral imperatives even without religion itself; natural selection would popularize them no matter what.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by mahmud »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #259
jsn117 wrote: post #161

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One day Tinder will be hacked like this as well, imagine the fallout.

I've never used Tinder -- do you have to give your real name and/or billing info to sign up with it?

You login with your Facebook credentials.
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