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Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by nkurz »

jasonlotito wrote: post #245
rubicon33 wrote: post #203

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In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some c…

> Is this the fault of the hackers? Yes. > I'd argue not. Wouldn't be much of an argument as you'd be wrong. Rather than going about other means to release this information privately, they dumped it on the world. They made that choice. > It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers. Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone who has to deal with the outcome of this? I know for a fact that y…

You are jumping to unfair conclusions about the person you are replying to. You clearly disagree with him, but this is offensive. You should delete it.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by tacone »

unabst wrote: post #162
x5n1 wrote: post #40

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The future is a future where no semblance of privacy exists. In the year 3000: "Truth about the ugliness of the human race will finally be revealed when every single detail about anyone's life is public knowledge available to all."

This sounds more like 2020. By the year 3000 there is a great chance we'll all have gotten over our fear, our conflict with government, and ourselves. Who wants to know? This is a question easily overlooked, but is crucial to observation (aka surveillance). Observation is done by an observer and done with intent. Without intent, we stop looking. I for one don't want to know or care for petty details about my neighbor…

Probably in the year 3000 we won't be here, but mass migrating to Jupiter or Saturn in escape from a heating up Sun after some idiot's decision to nuke it just to see what happens.

(ok, that was a bit of an overstretch, I still would like to be paid for eventual movie royalties)

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by thret »

codingdave wrote: post #227
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #22

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It's art imitating life. Old school warez, demoscene and hacker groups have always had a very "campy" countercultural aesthetic to them. Hackers the film doesn't hold a candle to the real-life cDc. These types of groups are a dying breed, though.

I dunno, man - without Fisher Stevens riding a skateboard through a giant server room, can anything really be as campy as Hackers?

"Never fear, I is here." I still catch myself saying this at times.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by task_queue »

nostrebored wrote: post #120
balabaster wrote: post #113

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It exposes what is already human nature. Okay, it was a potential enabler... you have a fair point. But it having a large male populous turns out to be a popular gay hub. The people on this site were going to cheat anyway. I don't disagree with it being run by sleazy people with sleazy business practices. From everything I've read, I'd concur with this statement. An epidemic of cheating over the internet is no more a…

I find the prospect of people making promises to people that we can assume that they love and being unable to keep those promises to be terrifying. If I believed that we weren't able to control our behavior and we were overrun with animalistic desire, I would kill myself. The same ideology is used to justify violence, rape, etc., and if I did not believe that these problems could be addressed or improved upon, I pers…

Life will last much longer for you if you accept that people will most likely act in what they perceive to be their self-interest.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by rubicon33 »

task_queue wrote: post #248
rubicon33 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some c…

Hackers publicly exposed personal information but it is not the their fault that the personal information was publicly exposed? I'm not sure how this follows. You seem to be very glad society hasn't moved on from the "Name and Shame" game. The one that ends in death, violence and shame for everyone close to and including the named.

I believe in consequences, and personal responsibility. Yes, hacker's publicly exposed personal information, but it wasn't the personal information of Mother Teresa.

I wonder if one's opinion on the ethical nature of this hack, hinges on your moral disposition on cheating/infidelity. I'll illuminate what I'm getting at, by asking you this hypothetical:

If Ashley Madison were a website for child sex trafficking, and the names of registrants were exposed, leading to arrests, and public shaming... How would you feel?

I'd be very surprised if you kept the same opinion, that publicly outing those individuals, was not a fit punishment for the crime. Given that, then this entire conversation is completely subjective, and based entirely on your opinion about cheating, lying, and infidelity.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by codezero »

fapjacks wrote: post #233
dopamean wrote: post #184

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It's really not that interesting. I was 15 and played around with some computers that belongs to the US Navy. Then one day at 6 am I heard a loud knock on the front door.

Hah! Sounds like my story, except mine involved the main newspaper in the next big city over from my hometown. Totally uninteresting.

NandO?

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by thret »

Tloewald wrote: post #183
x5n1 wrote: post #40

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The future is a future where no semblance of privacy exists. In the year 3000: "Truth about the ugliness of the human race will finally be revealed when every single detail about anyone's life is public knowledge available to all."

Once privacy disappears we can actually base our morality on data rather than wishful thinking. It's the transition period (i.e. now) where we have pretty arbitrary morals largely based on ancient religious texts, etc. and we're finally getting actual data on what people actually do that is the nasty part. E.g. we know that rich people have always obtained abortions, used illegal drugs, and had promiscuous sex, but p…

These aren't arbitrary just because they are enshrined in religion and custom. Before the pill, women couldn't sleep around without fear of getting pregnant. Before condoms, people couldn't sleep around without fear of STDs. Before DNA testing husbands couldn't be sure they were the father of their own children if their wife had an affair. Before modern medicine, abortion carried a significant risk of complications - potentially death.

We are adjusting our social values in response to advances in technology.

OTOH, lying, cheating, and betraying those closest to you will never be acceptable. I think we will simply move towards a state where open marriages are much more common.

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by rubicon33 »

timmytokyo wrote: post #238
rubicon33 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some c…

You're only seeing one side of the problem. Put yourself in the shoes of someone whose spouse was exposed by this leak. Imagine how humiliated you would be, knowing that the whole world knows your spouse was cheating on you. Sure, it might be good to know the truth, but how does it help you that friends, family and even strangers know this about you? Not only that, but it's on the Internet, where your humiliation wil…

I understand that 'side of the problem'. Trust me, it's not that I don't comprehend the impact this has on innocent people, I do, and it's very unfortunate.

Where I differ, is in who I blame. It sounds like there is growing animosity toward the hackers, but that dumbfounds me. How could this hack have even transpired, if it weren't for the liars, and the cheaters, who funded this site? How could an innocent spouse be embarassed by their cheating wife, if their wife never cheated on them?

Let's not get confused. The hack, exposed a morally reprehensible act by many. Here's a contrived example, that might help illuminate my point -

Consider a corrupt police force in a city, where police are taking bribes, and working with organized crime, instead of helping the community. Should we shame a mole, who exposes the police force? If he does, the police will be out jobs, and will be exposed! Think about the families!

You can see where I'm going with this...

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

jsn117 wrote: post #161
smtddr wrote: post #2

I don't condone this hack, but morals/ethics aside for a moment: The one positive thing this hack has done is really give serious ammo to the battle for online privacy, because the demographic hit by this hack is the most politically & economically powerful demographic in the world....

One day Tinder will be hacked like this as well, imagine the fallout.

I've never used Tinder -- do you have to give your real name and/or billing info to sign up with it?

Re: Who Hacked Ashley Madison?

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Post by task_queue »

nostrebored wrote: post #70
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #49

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Then that's a breach of contract between two private parties which is of absolutely no relevance to outside observers. It is the married couple's prerogative to undergo court procedure if they so desire. Being on AM wouldn't solely have been about breaking commitment. From what I recall, it became an inadvertent hub for gay dating due to its extraordinary gender/sex imbalance. AM's entire business practice was about…

Having morals also means speaking out about things when it is your concern. 37 Million (of course potentially non-unique) accounts on a website advertised with the express intent of cheating on your spouse with nobody knowing is fucked up. It's a sleazy website run by sleazy people with sleazy business practices, used by people who are trying to do something which their spouse VERY LIKELY disagrees with. Of course th…

How are 37 million private accounts, having nothing to do with you, your concern at all?

You brushed the consequences of this vigilante justice under the rug. Those Saudi Arabians will most likely suffer severe consequences, probably death, for being exposed.

The public is not a judge, jury or executioner, no matter how good it makes you feel to play morality police.

None of this excuses an irresponsible exposure of private information.

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