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Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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For a supposedly economics oriented site this article sure spends a lot of time talking about celebrities and how much of a sham it is for them to title themselves "Dr." I am completely on board with the unearned title thing, but how many paragraphs about various people's shelves full of honorary degrees do we need? The title asks why but doesn't supply a straightforward, albeit somewhat obvious, answer until the las…

They spend time talking about celebrities because that will improve the SEO results of the article. They have substantial, original content that mentions famous people.

Journalism is dead. We're now just fodder for the "article hackers" whose job it is to get page views. There are different ways to do this for different audiences; this is the snobbish academic equivalent of a Buzzfeed article titled "15 Signs You Totally Have VD".

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"Supreme Court member Ruth Bader Ginsburg has an honorary degree from every single Ivy League School, with the exception of Cornell, which doesn’t give them out." ...except for her actual undergrad degree, which is from Cornell. (Hey, when you don't have presidents, you take what you can get. And we'll take RBG over several presidents.)

An earned undergraduate degree is not an 'honorary degree'.

I imagine an honorary undergraduate degree would also be a bit of a rarity.

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At Clemson I've seen honorary degrees given to very successful people who gave a lot of money to the university. The degree was usually given during general graduation and gives the successful business person a chance to speak to the graduating class. Honestly, it never bothered me at all. It's one thing if you're saying "here, take this honorary degree and go work in a new profession"...but that's not what happens.…

Being successful =/= Being rich

And while being successful or making an outstanding contribution is a way to get an honorary degree, it is easier still to just buy one.

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My favourite professor said that the only use for his 'Dr' was for getting a good seat table when making a reservation at a restaurant. It doesn't make your work or your opinions magically better, and there are plenty of clueless PhDs out there. Besides, demanding any honourific is lame - proof of this is in the honorifics for politicians. :)

As a German I find the honorifics in politics just weird. We don't normally call Ms Merkel "Frau Bundeskanzlerin" and we don't normally call MPs "Herr Bundestagsabgeordneter" or "Frau Bundestagsabgeordnete" (although you might address them this way in a formal letter, maybe). Maybe this has something to do with abolishing royal/aristocratic titles in the aftermath of WW1 -- it certainly feels anachronistic and oldfas…

A line from the show "The West Wing" went something like this:

"Please, Reverend, call me 'Mr. President'. It's not that I need you to stroke my ego, it's that in this job I have to make some difficult choices that can be uncomfortable to me personally, and I would like you to emphasize the office rather than the person holding it"

As a Scandinavian, all honorifics, including "Mr." etc. sound weird, but that was a great explanation for why some people would like one.

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I think there is a case to be made for honorary degrees, but not with how they are commonly used today. To me it makes sense that if someone becomes one of the utmost authorities in a field, but didn't do it by spending half a million dollars and many good years at an Ivy League school, you can still recognize their credibility through an honorary degree.

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Is this a serious comment? Do you believe that there is literally a "guy who invented college".

Yes, there's IS literally a "guy who invented college"... "An academy is an institution of secondary education or higher learning, research, or honorary membership. The name traces back to Plato's school of philosophy, founded approximately 385 BC at Akademia (...) north of Athens, Greece". This has been the early prototype for later roman, middle-ages, renaissance and finally modern colleges. It wasn't the first tea…

The same wikipedia article goes on to say

[these academies] are to be distinguished from the Western-style university which is an autonomous organization of scholars that originated in medieval Europe and was adopted in other world regions since the onset of modern times

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But the quote explicitly says "honorary degree". She doesn't have an honorary degree from Cornell.

If a sentence can be interpreted in two different ways, and it's clear from context which one the speaker meant, it's considered polite to choose that one.

Also called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

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I don't think Stallman would submit his work for a PhD, mainly because one's PhD work becomes the property of the university. It's against everything he stands for.

That's the default, but usually can be negotiated with the university.

For specific examples, here's MIT's policy, from http://libguides.mit.edu/c.php?g=176367&p=1159444#13351783 :

> Who holds ownership of the copyright to my thesis?

> In most cases the Institute will hold ownership of the copyright to a thesis. In general, students may retain ownership of thesis copyrights when the only form of support is from (1) teaching assistantships (the duties of which do not include research activities) and (2) NSF and NIH traineeships and fellowships (although the trainee or fellow may be required to grant certain publishing rights to NSF or NIH). See the current Specifications for Thesis Preparation for more details.

> Students may request a waiver of the Institute’s copyrights by written application to the Institute’s Technology Licensing Office (NE25-230).

Here's information about the copyright for a Harvard PhD, from https://www.physics.harvard.edu/uploads/files/grads/forms/um... :

> You may choose either open access or traditional publishing. If you choose Open Access Publishing, the published version of your dissertation or thesis will always be available for free download to anyone who has access to the Internet. The Traditional Publishing option works on a standard copy-sales and royalty-payments model. We sell copies of your work (in any format) and pay royalties as described in the Publishing Agreement. Either option gets your graduate research out where other scholars can find and use it through the ProQuest® Dissertations and Theses (PQDT) database, subscribed to by more than 3000 libraries worldwide.

Or to pick a non-Boston-area school, here are open access PhD these from Florida State - http://diginole.lib.fsu.edu/etd/ .

Stallman has an honorary degree from the University of Glasgow. Pulling up the first PhD thesis from http://theses.gla.ac.uk/cgi/latest I see "Copyright and moral rights for this thesis are retained by the author." The same is true from the couple of other theses I looked at.

He also has an honorary degree from Sweden's Royal Institute of Technology. I pulled up three PhD thesis from http://www.kth.se/en/ict/forskning/ickretsar/publikationer/r... . Two of them had a copyright statement by the PhD candidate, one had no explicit statement.

So it's not the case that thesis copyright transfer is a major issue preventing Stallman from getting a PhD.

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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I think Germans still place a lot of importance on titles and they still have formal and informal ways of referring to people Du vs Tu

Did you mean "Du vs Sie"? If not, what do you mean with "Tu"? I've never heard of that.

My apologies to French and German Speakers :-)
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