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Re: As Coursera Evolves, Colleges Stay On and Investors Buy In

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I can testify to the quality of this course. I completed both Crypto 1 and Crypto 2. Both were very well presented.

Wait what? I did't think crypto 2 had ever run? I took the first round of crypto 1 and have been waiting for 2 ever since!

Yeah. I've been waiting well over a year for Crypto 2. Never heard of it ever being run.

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I'm the instructor of an upcoming Coursera course [1]. A couple of observations from my point of view: * I wish there were a way to fund online education through philanthropy/donations. Coursera being for-profit leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. At a practical level, it complicates what images I can use in my lectures and qualify as fair use. * After several years the site is far from being at a point where a…

It hasn't launched yet but you may be interested in checking out snowdrift: https://snowdrift.coop/.

I brought this thread up in #snowdrift on freenode and there was some interesting discussion around coursera's model and this critical talk by Eden Moglen: https://boingboing.net/2012/05/27/innovation-under-austerity.... There's a full transcript here: https://www.softwarefreedom.org/events/2012/freedom-to-conne.... I've mostly viewed coursera as a good thing even if it's a for-profit company, but I'm not as confident any more.

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Yeah, the video-only thing is problematic. But I think they're stuck there. If you're having a hard time convincing students to pay $50 for the class, can you really ask them to buy a $200 textbook?

I think the "only" part isn't referring so much to the exclusion of a textbook as the exclusion of projects and exercises. Videos and textbooks are both too passive. The biggest issue with MOOCs in 2015 is the relative lack of active engagement with the material through checked exercises and with teachers, tutors, mentors, and peers through one-on-one engagement (whether in person or via phone or chat) rather than on…

I think the passivity of videos and lack of exercises is just half the problem. The other half is that there is no human supervision of each student. There is no feeling of accountability to a professor. In real life you compare with your colleagues and are evaluated by a teacher. That tends to make all this activity much more involved.

I think the problem can be solved by organizing study groups and paying for a tutor to see you through your online learning career. Regular meet-ups in real life with a person, to check the state of your studies and discuss strategies and future courses to take up would be better than just creating a free account and starting to learn on your own.

MOOCs could be complemented by in-person educational coaching. That would reduce the dropout rate and make it seem more "real". MOOCs don't need more teachers, they need more coaches - people with experience in the psychology of learning.

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I think the "only" part isn't referring so much to the exclusion of a textbook as the exclusion of projects and exercises. Videos and textbooks are both too passive. The biggest issue with MOOCs in 2015 is the relative lack of active engagement with the material through checked exercises and with teachers, tutors, mentors, and peers through one-on-one engagement (whether in person or via phone or chat) rather than on…

At Tuva (tuvalabs.com), we are creating an environment to learn foundational statistics and data analysis concepts and skills that go well beyond just video instruction. To get a feel for experience, check out a 30 sec demo here: https://vimeo.com/137256993

That looks nice, but people want problems to solve - gradual problems, that have a nice gradient of increasing difficulty, and are sufficient in number, until they can bring up the student to a feeling of mastery over the field.

I was looking for such a set of problems to gradually learn functional programming by exercises but all I could find was a video course that also had a set of 10-20 mini-problems to solve as it progressed. That was by far too shallow for this learning task. And to think that FP is the love child of Hacker News, with tons of posts in the last few years, yet, there is no comprehensive resource of exercises.

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I often noticed that some books are phenomenal, and don't really have a mooc, but should definetly have something. I wonder if there's a place for a site that: 1. Gathers recommendations the best book on a given subject + some set of practice material 2. Helps to forum study groups or classes, gives them forum/hangouts,etc,offer some structure, etc 3. Enables P2P grading by students Basically ,helps as much as it's p…

I think it's a neat idea. This thread has got me thinking too. Email me at p2peducationideahn@gmail.com if you want to brainstorm.

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Wait what? I did't think crypto 2 had ever run? I took the first round of crypto 1 and have been waiting for 2 ever since!

He probably went to Stanford and took it in person.

Ah, that would be the way to ensure you get to take it :)

Re: As Coursera Evolves, Colleges Stay On and Investors Buy In

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I think the "only" part isn't referring so much to the exclusion of a textbook as the exclusion of projects and exercises. Videos and textbooks are both too passive. The biggest issue with MOOCs in 2015 is the relative lack of active engagement with the material through checked exercises and with teachers, tutors, mentors, and peers through one-on-one engagement (whether in person or via phone or chat) rather than on…

I think the passivity of videos and lack of exercises is just half the problem. The other half is that there is no human supervision of each student. There is no feeling of accountability to a professor. In real life you compare with your colleagues and are evaluated by a teacher. That tends to make all this activity much more involved. I think the problem can be solved by organizing study groups and paying for a tut…

We're in violent agreement, and I meant to allude to the things you spelled out more clearly. I'm disappointed that Coursera hasn't (yet?) started using their treasure chest to push this sort of thing, but maybe that just means it's a market opportunity for someone else.

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At Tuva (tuvalabs.com), we are creating an environment to learn foundational statistics and data analysis concepts and skills that go well beyond just video instruction. To get a feel for experience, check out a 30 sec demo here: https://vimeo.com/137256993

That looks nice, but people want problems to solve - gradual problems, that have a nice gradient of increasing difficulty, and are sufficient in number, until they can bring up the student to a feeling of mastery over the field. I was looking for such a set of problems to gradually learn functional programming by exercises but all I could find was a video course that also had a set of 10-20 mini-problems to solve as…

What about project Euler and the like?

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> The company has created a series of courses that add up to mini-degrees that students can earn quickly, and pay a small fee to certify that they successfully completed them. “It’s mostly people in their 20s and 30s who are interested in learning more skills and making themselves prepared for better jobs,” said Mr. Levin. Has anyone else noticed that since this recent pivot, the quality of Coursera's classes have de…

I often noticed that some books are phenomenal, and don't really have a mooc, but should definetly have something. I wonder if there's a place for a site that: 1. Gathers recommendations the best book on a given subject + some set of practice material 2. Helps to forum study groups or classes, gives them forum/hangouts,etc,offer some structure, etc 3. Enables P2P grading by students Basically ,helps as much as it's p…

I prefer for something like this before paying for online classes: a curriculum to learn on my own, a peer group for feedback, and a mentor for guidance.

The problem is there are many things I want to learn and I may be willing to invest 40 hours in one week to get the required knowledge instead of having to wait 3 hours * 8 weeks.

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