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Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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My favourite professor said that the only use for his 'Dr' was for getting a good seat table when making a reservation at a restaurant. It doesn't make your work or your opinions magically better, and there are plenty of clueless PhDs out there. Besides, demanding any honourific is lame - proof of this is in the honorifics for politicians. :)

This discussion reminds me of an interesting story. In the South under Jim Crow, whites were very reluctant to call a black man "Mr.", which made things difficult when they had to discuss prominent people (like Booker T. Washington) who had to be addressed formally. The solution was to emphasize that person's title. "To an unfamiliar Northerner one of very interesting and somewhat amusing phases of conditions down he…

Thank you for sharing this. That "Following the Color Line" story was remarkable! I had to read it all. I really need to acquaint myself more with journalism/material like this from this era.

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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Honorary degrees bring dishonour upon both the conferrer and the conferee.

I happened a few years ago to be at a relative's graduation from Wilson College in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. They gave Temple Grandin an honorary degree, and she gave them an excellent commencement speech. I haven't heard a lot of commencement speeches, but this one was a lot better than the excerpts I see every year from big universities. I did not think worse of Dr. Grandin for receiving the award, and I did think much better of Wilson College for their choice of commencement speaker (to the extent that I thought about it at all before).

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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"I don't like honors" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUcmKDaklY

Anyone know if this is part of a longer talk? If so which

I believe this is from "The pleasure of finding things out".

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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I have a PhD (in mathematics) and am conflicted about the "Dr." title. I think it ought to be reserved for medical doctors, as there is a social good associated with knowing there is a medical doctor in the general vicinity. For non-MDs, it feels like insisting on the title is petty.

I think medics should not be called doctors ("teachers") precisely because they don't have that degree.

At some point custom has to take over. Or shall we abolish the military rank of "lieutenant" because the officers of that rank are not ordinarily holding a place for someone?

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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Yeah, as a UVA grad I didn't realize they didn't give honorary degrees, but I think their approach of giving "medals" instead is the right one. Also, even if you are Richard Stallman or Maya Angelou, demanding to be called "Dr" due to an honorary degree is just lame.

My favourite professor said that the only use for his 'Dr' was for getting a good seat table when making a reservation at a restaurant. It doesn't make your work or your opinions magically better, and there are plenty of clueless PhDs out there. Besides, demanding any honourific is lame - proof of this is in the honorifics for politicians. :)

*honorific (even in Commonwealth spelling)

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/spellcheck/english?q=honour...

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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Oh, Priceonomics, always looking for a slightly ham-fisted angle! I am very much looking forward to gaining a degree from some fringe yet accredited online university, and everybody who cares about that sort of thing will have to address me as 'Dr.' Precisely because caring too much about letters before and after one's name is asinine, vapid, and ultimately delusional. Strive to be the best person you can be. And if…

I don't know about that last line, but everything before that rings true.

My graduate school mentor told this story quite a bit, and it has always stuck with me:

I grew up poor, like dirt poor. Dirt floor, no shoes, backwoods poor. I did well in high school, I was well known around town, and people liked me. They knew I was a good kid with good intentions, who just happened to come from poor folks. I knew that graduating from high school would make me a big man. My parents had never finished high school. I knew people would look up to me.

Then I heard about university.

I knew that if I graduated with a bachelors that I would be it. People would respect me. People would look up to me. My parents didn't even know about the university system, let alone what getting a bachelors meant. So, I went to college, I did well. People knew me around campus, I was involved in clubs and sports and worked. People liked me. I knew I was going to be a big man.

Then I heard about graduate school. I had to get a masters. I knew for my career it would bring me respect. I knew personally it would bring me respect. People would know me.

Well, by that time, I knew about the PhD, so you can probably see where this is going.

I knew that when people had to call me Doctor, they would respect me. Doctor La___. It sounded good. People would know me, people would respect me. So I went to graduate school and I worked on my doc. I was well known in my classes. I worked on interesting and exciting research that led me to my current career. I am a leader in my field.

And I tell people not to call me Doctor. I want them to call me Jim.

It wasn't until my last semester of post-graduate work that I realized it.

People didn't respect me because of my degrees; they respected me because of who I was and what I did.

I had been treated the same since high school. People had always known my name, I had always received choice assignments at work, I was always greeted with friendly smiles and genuine enthusiasm when I traveled to see old acquaintances.

And none of it had to do with my degrees.

The moral of the story: If you rely on titles and public accolades to feel big, more than likely you spend too much time making yourself feel small.

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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post #75

If the average donation for an honorary degree was $68,854, would it make more sense for me to just forego the four years of effort and write a check for $70k in return for a degree? A masters is two years, so that's $35k per year. A PhD is 4-10 years, so that's 17.5k-7k per year. It's starting to sound like a good investment!

I wonder what kind of entry level positions you could score with a bought-and-paid-for honorary degree?

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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Honorary degrees is a cheap way of increasing prestige by associating the university with someone who already has prestige.

Except when I see universities here which are poorly ranked giving honorary degrees to famous comedians it just seems ridiculous and doesn't make me think any better of the establishment. If anything it seems needy.

My thought is that in those cases, it's just an easy, cheap way to get a popular speaker to come to campus.

Re: Why Do Colleges Give Honorary Degrees?

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For a supposedly economics oriented site this article sure spends a lot of time talking about celebrities and how much of a sham it is for them to title themselves "Dr." I am completely on board with the unearned title thing, but how many paragraphs about various people's shelves full of honorary degrees do we need? The title asks why but doesn't supply a straightforward, albeit somewhat obvious, answer until the last quarter of the article. I hate to be another "where is all the real journalism?" person but, seriously where is it?
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