Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
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Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#2Just because it's popular to hate on Flash everyone forgets about the good times it brought.
Back in school, flash games were all the rage and you could bet if we were on the computers for a lesson 90% of the time would be spent on the helicopter game or motorbike sport!
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#3Just because it's popular to hate on Flash everyone forgets about the good times it brought. Back in school, flash games were all the rage and you could bet if we were on the computers for a lesson 90% of the time would be spent on the helicopter game or motorbike sport!
And at one point a practical alternative was Java Applets.
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#4I'm not 100% sure the death of Flash is a good thing. Maybe the death of "flash the buggy proprietary plugin" is good but there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of devs that are productive with flash and not likely to be as productive in HTML5. It would be nice if somehow Flash could export to HTML5 directly.
That said, Flash still has features that are missing from HTML5.
1. One file distribution.
AFAICT HTML5 has no real ability to do this
2. Easy streaming
I suppose you can break a HTML5 app into multiple files but with flash there's one file and it can start running the content of that file when only some small percentage of it has downloaded. And, it just magically happens or rather it's super easy to setup. Reproducing that in HTML5 is a huge chore.
3. Not running when not visible
HTML5 has no way to stop an animation when offscreen. If you have a requestAnimationFrame Canvas or WebGL or element based animation and your element is scrolled off the screen HTML5 will still execute your code. Flash will not. So, blogs aggregating flash content work. Blogs aggregating canvas/webgl content don't even exist or unlike flash each item needs to be on its own page. There are some workaround but they require you to modify all content where as Flash you can use 3rd party content and still get this.
4. Can copy to clipboard
Yes I know that's considered "unsafe" and yet nearly every website that needs that feature uses flash for it. Google Docs and GMail both use it even though Google's Chrome team claims they won't put the feature in HTML5 because it's unsafe. They need to make up their minds.
I'm sure people who are more familiar with flash can name more features they wish would make it to HTML5.
And on top of that I can easily block flash. I can't block HTML5 so much :P
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#5Just because it's popular to hate on Flash everyone forgets about the good times it brought. Back in school, flash games were all the rage and you could bet if we were on the computers for a lesson 90% of the time would be spent on the helicopter game or motorbike sport!
I never had any love for flash but it's demise brought down Silverlight which as a windows developer was a great way to build a LOB targeting mac and windows. It's to bad that Flashes association with ad networks doomed it rather then all the advancements it gave to the web so early on.
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#6I'm not 100% sure the death of Flash is a good thing. Maybe the death of "flash the buggy proprietary plugin" is good but there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of devs that are productive with flash and not likely to be as productive in HTML5. It would be nice if somehow Flash could export to HTML5 directly. That said, Flash still has features that are missing from HTML5. 1. One file distribution.…
"on top of that I can easily block flash. I can't block HTML5 so much"
Disabling javascript is probably equivalent?
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#7Yes, it'll be great when all Flash advertisements with loud music become HTML5 ones and you'll need a 3rd party tool to block them. Absolutely the best thing along with killing off one of the most powerful and yet relatively easy to develop with tools on the web.
But hey, at least I was reminded of this site http://flashvhtml.com/
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#8Just because it's popular to hate on Flash everyone forgets about the good times it brought. Back in school, flash games were all the rage and you could bet if we were on the computers for a lesson 90% of the time would be spent on the helicopter game or motorbike sport!
How it's even relevant? Just because some people enjoyed flash in the past doesn't changes the fact that now it is a menace and everyone would be much better without it.
So pack you misguided nostalgia and put it next to your Sonic the Hedgehog figurines(they are dolls and you know it).
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#9I'm not 100% sure the death of Flash is a good thing. Maybe the death of "flash the buggy proprietary plugin" is good but there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of devs that are productive with flash and not likely to be as productive in HTML5. It would be nice if somehow Flash could export to HTML5 directly. That said, Flash still has features that are missing from HTML5. 1. One file distribution.…
"on top of that I can easily block flash. I can't block HTML5 so much" Disabling javascript is probably equivalent?
Not really. Thesedays disabling javascript would likely render any webpage unusable.
Re: Flash is dying a death by 1,000 cuts, and that's a good thing
#10Just because it's popular to hate on Flash everyone forgets about the good times it brought. Back in school, flash games were all the rage and you could bet if we were on the computers for a lesson 90% of the time would be spent on the helicopter game or motorbike sport!
How it's even relevant? Just because some people enjoyed flash in the past doesn't changes the fact that now it is a menace and everyone would be much better without it. So pack you misguided nostalgia and put it next to your Sonic the Hedgehog figurines(they are dolls and you know it).
There are quite a few times I have legitimately used flash where it has improved my web browsing experience.
HTML5 canvas? Not so much. Maybe some day. But it hasn't had very much impact so far.
It really is disappointing plugins are being removed from Chrome. I am seriously considering moving to a new browser. Those who didn't like it could just disable it.