Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess the moral of the story is that ethical complaints should be anonymous?
The moral of the story is to gather evidence. When you go report something to HR, the HR rep always writes things down on paper. Why do they do that? In case things go to court. Write down on paper what everyone says. Otherwise is your word vs the manager's. Employees will not win in a case of he said she said.
The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
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Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nonsense. Nothing obligates you to use your checking account for the vast majority of ordinary purchases. And for those that you generally cannot avoid (usually only the rent), nothing requires that you fail to record the amount you spent and track the amount remaining. If you aren't sure of your records or don't care to keep them, use cash for everything else. People with far less education than today's Americans ha…
My money is in my checking account. That's where it is. I can't use money from somewhere else. I could put it on a card, but then I still have to pay the card at the end of the month, don't I? In fact, I just recently over-drafted my rent. Do you know why? Because my phone company auto-charges to my account. All I had to do was forget what day this happened, and not coordinate the exact day that my landlord cashed th…
Incidentally, there is a great way to reduce this risk; manually pay your bills. I don't have any automatic charges larger than $10. You chose higher risk for higher convenience. It's a little silly to claim that the choice you made is not rationally justifiable - how do we know you were irrational then rather than now?
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#183The pain overdraft fees cause poor people is truly hard to comprehend unless you've been there. It's incredibly evil. You've got $16 left for food and then then the Flickr account you forgot to cancel gets charged to your account, putting your balance at -$9. Now you have to pay $35/day until you get enough money to cover the overdraft fees. You end up paying $100+ for a $9 forced loan. The bank could have just decli…
*> You've got $16 left for food and then then the Flickr account you forgot to cancel gets charged to your account, I don't want to be rude but I wonder what set of circumstances leads a poor person to subscribe to a relatively superfluous service (unless you're a pro photographer?) in the first place.
As always, it's best to interpret others' comments in the most generous way possible, rather than jumping to the conclusion that the poor person must have been spending too much money to pull himself up by his bootstraps.
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#184Post crisis, many banks in the UK "simplified" overdraft fees by charging rediculous daily/monthly usage charges and increased interest rates. It really is a massive swindle when being £100 overdrawn for one day can cost between £5 and £40 [1]. You used to just have a monthly interest rate like a credit card, often paying a few pence for going overdrawn for a day.
Of course being British, we just rolled over and took this (I did close all my Natwest accounts after being charged £5 for being £1 overdrawn for one day, but most banks are the same now). The people with the power have large amounts of money in the bank and had no need to complain.
With blllions in PPI being reclaimed (Lloyds alone supposedly have a bill of £13 bn [2]), this isn't a surprise. The banks always win.
[1] http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/banking/bank-charges-compar...
[2] http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/reclaim/2015/07/lloyds...
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a college student, I am assuming that you didn't have much money, but also likely had rather limited expenses. To the family with children that has $50 to their name, a rent payment, childcare expenses, etc, most of which they can barely afford already, an unexpected overdraft can be the trigger that sends them off a financial cliff. Poor people often make very bad financial decisions. But so do rich and middle cl…
All true, but you can't regulate away bad decisions. By attempting to do so you just make the next scheme even more disgusting.
1. Banks must make rejection of a charge, rather than overdrafting, the default.
2. When overdrafting is enabled, cap the fees at some amount (say, $5), and also cap the amount the account can be overdrafted at, say, $50.
Looks like a pretty disgusting scheme to me. /sarcasm
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Civil forfeiture laws in the US. I don't feel safe carrying a reasonable amount of cash. Here the police can just rob me, and now I'm guilty until proven innocent. In DC it costs up to $2500 for the right to challenge a police seizure in court, it's complex, expensive and it can take years.
It rarely happens. Like cops shooting unarmed people in the back, it isn't something that you really need to worry about.
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
USAA isn't a bank, it's a credit union. It's "field of membership" is uniformed military and their families.
Can anyone recommend a credit union as good as USAA that accepts people unaffiliated with the military?
And not only is there no account fee, but the checking account pays a pitiable amount of interest.
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#188This is a quote from Michael Lewis' The Big Short, I'll never forget it: Obsessing over Household [Finance Corporation], he attended a lunch organized by a big Wall Street firm. The guest speaker was Herb Sandler, the CEO of a giant savings and loan called Golden West Financial Corporation. “Someone asked him if he believed in the free checking model,” recalls Eisman. “And he said, ‘Turn off your tape recorders.’ Eve…
No, it's the same system that allows the lottery to exist. It's not "fuck the poor", it's "fuck the stupid" (alternatively, "fuck the bad-at-math"). If there's a high correlation, I don't think anyone is going to be terribly surprised, as uncomfortable as that may be. I have been poor. I have also been the opposite. I have also been a bank employee, and a professional investor who studied security analysis by looking…
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't feel that I'm a weaker counterparty. If I find myself feeling that way in a relationship, I am going to renegotiate its terms or end it. The problem that you Progressivists have is that you cannot distinguish apparent power from real power. A bank may be evil, but its power over you is illusory. You are still free to terminate your relationship with it at any time. Real power comes only from the ability to us…
Going on that line of thought, consumer protection laws, agencies and regulations would be nonexistent. Hopefully not everyone thinks that way. Also, I never read about progressivism before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism Can you sincerely say you are not progressivist after reading the introduction?
Unfortunately, Progressivism in 21st-century America bears little resemblance to Enlightenment thinking. It is a toxic brew of extremely hardcore Communism (Marx would have been appalled), beyond-stifling political correctness, defeatism, and a vicious temporal smugness that glorifies both ignorance and denigration of anything at all involving the past. Because of course we're so much better than they were. Not just more knowledgeable about the Universe, not just given the benefit of more experience, but better. Anyone who says otherwise is "speaking from privilege" and must be ignored, shouted down, or ideally punished or removed entirely from society (so that it can make more progress, naturally). Better men than I have commented on the astonishing narrowness of the range of ideas and narratives acceptable to these ideologues who demand inclusiveness. This philosophy wouldn't even be worthy of comment were it not occupying the entirety of the Overton Window.
To bring this to bear on the topic at hand, since Progressivists hold that everything that exists today is superior to whatever version of it existed in the past, it must be true that our gigantic bureaucratic regulatory regime is in every way superior to what it replaced (small government, laissez-faire market capitalism, individualism, etc.), we can make further progress by doing more of that. Since our system of laws has become so large and unwieldy that it's essentially impossible to comply with it, we may well make further progress by simply penalizing anything that smacks of success (undeserved, of course). Since our taxes are so much higher than in the past, we can naturally improve our lot in life by raising them further. Since we're better people than previous generations, we know better than they did and may safely ignore the lessons they learned in these matters (the Soviet Union, the 1950s-1970s tax regime, etc). When it comes to government, more is better, always and without exception. Anyone who has money, regardless of how obtained, is to be punished -- not for stealing it, but simply for having it. It's much easier than punishing crime, after all, and since people with money had a lot of power in the past, the future will be better if they have less. Ideally, less than none. Instead of punishing individual behavior, it's easier to just punish people who seem similar to people who were successful in the past (the decadent, evil, exploitative past again). It saves the trouble of finding evidence of wrongdoing, and after all, everything balances out in the end, right?
So we don't need to bother with the rule of law or written contracts; whichever party, historically speaking, was in a position of lesser advantage must prevail in any dispute. Anyone who's less than hopelessly impoverished and disenfranchised must have achieved that exalted position through fraud, theft, or murder; how else could one prosper in that past? And surely anyone who is poor today owes it not to any defect in himself but to the inescapable injustices of that past. Else what progress do we find in the march of history?
So if you're a banker, it doesn't really matter whether you've followed the law. It doesn't matter if you've disclosed your policies properly and timely. It doesn't really matter because you're a banker and the other guy isn't. You're wrong, and you'll always be wrong, and you'll keep being wrong no matter what you do until you give up and die.
Progressivism, in a nutshell, seeks to replace rule by law with rule by victimhood, just as the original version sought to replace rule by sword with rule by law.
Afraid I'm just not having any. But HN sure is.
Re: The most profitable source of income for banks? Overdraft fees
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it's is 100% victim blaming, because for god's sake, at what point do we expect grown adults to take some friggin responsibility for themselves?? Puh-lease, spare me the "easy to lose track" garbage. It's never been easier to keep track of one's finances, and that's before even considering an internet connection. If your budget is that tight, maybe, just maybe, actually closely tracking your bank account should…
You're obnoxious, but you're right. I've suffered more than my fair share of overdraft fees, and every one of them was my own fault. It didn't help that my bank's online banking system was a filthy liar with a long-standing bug that caused it to display an incorrect balance (for up to a day or more) when there was an incoming transaction that wasn't pre-auth or posted -- but ultimately that just meant that I had to s…
Maybe the problem with the current system isn't poor people, the problem is just people. It's just that some people don't have any sort of margin of error, so we shouldn't tilt the scales against them too. No need to add to the shit situation they're already in.