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Re: Lively Kernel

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Post by fu86 » Sun, Aug 23, 2015, 8:23 PM UTC

I've analyzed the codebase a couple of years ago (see https://aaron-mueller.de/projekte/lively and http://data.datenhalter.de/lively_analyse_morph.pdf in german). It's basically a proof of concept to bring Squeak to the web. It was a hype back in 2007 because Dan Ingalls pushed this as a research project by SUN.

The whole codebase is a mess and so damn slow that this is not usable at all (see https://aaron-mueller.de/blog/bestof-lively). The architecture however is pretty smart, but most of it are stolen from Squeak. So the projekt itself is not much more than a bad port of Squeak in spathetti JavaScript.

Re: Lively Kernel

#12

Post by boucher » Sun, Aug 23, 2015, 9:24 PM UTC

planckscnst wrote: post #4

And now that I'm past my surprise, I can evaluate. It looks like it's really not ready for production. There are all kinds of weird issues. For instance, in the webworkerstatt sandbox[1] (and I was using Chrome as they asked), the text box rendered far-right more than a page of scrolling was required. Upon refreshing the page, the text box was where it was supposed to be, but there was lots of additional empty space…

This project has been around an extremely long time (I believe since around 2008). I'm not sure it's even being updated at this point.

Re: Lively Kernel

#13

Post by joshmarinacci » Sun, Aug 23, 2015, 10:31 PM UTC

fu86 wrote: post #11

I've analyzed the codebase a couple of years ago (see https://aaron-mueller.de/projekte/lively and http://data.datenhalter.de/lively_analyse_morph.pdf in german). It's basically a proof of concept to bring Squeak to the web. It was a hype back in 2007 because Dan Ingalls pushed this as a research project by SUN. The whole codebase is a mess and so damn slow that this is not usable at all (see https://aaron-mueller.de…

This was done a decade ago to prove what was possible with web tech of the time. Clearly the web of today proves they were right.

Re: Lively Kernel

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Post by mattbasta » Mon, Aug 24, 2015, 2:59 AM UTC

joshmarinacci wrote: post #13

fu86 wrote: post #11

I've analyzed the codebase a couple of years ago (see https://aaron-mueller.de/projekte/lively and http://data.datenhalter.de/lively_analyse_morph.pdf in german). It's basically a proof of concept to bring Squeak to the web. It was a hype back in 2007 because Dan Ingalls pushed this as a research project by SUN. The whole codebase is a mess and so damn slow that this is not usable at all (see https://aaron-mueller.de…

This was done a decade ago to prove what was possible with web tech of the time. Clearly the web of today proves they were right.

I think you're forgetting how good the web was ten years ago.