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AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have any guarantees on the quality of your rental the same way you have with a hotel chain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Airbnb has not loyalty/rewards program available either, which could be quite beneficial for frequent travelers.

The whole "local experience" seems to be a mere marketing fluff. The Airbnb experience doesn't seem to imply much interaction with the host, the same way which it's predecessor Couchsurfing did. Once you checked into you Airbnb rental, you are on your own, the same way as if you stayed at a hotel, but with even less hand-holding. Hotels at least provide a (poor) local recommendation service.

I'm wondering what a typical customer of Airbnb looks like.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

It's kind of fun to stay in somebody else's place. I do think there's something to be said for that. And, it IS frequently cheaper than a hotel. Many times, depending on where you're staying, it could also be more convenient. It's a B(nB) for the masses, and I don't really mind that.

There of course is still room for the hotel industry, and I don't really think this is making a dent in their business. It's just different, and that's ok.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why attack Airbnb for trying out a new approach? Also, Google is not that great at some things they do. For example, Google is somehow much worse at navigation than Waze even though they were at it for much longer and had tons of data. Now they even have Waze data and are still worse at it than Waze.

Is it just me, or is google maps even worse than Apple maps at this point?

I think Google maps has some top-notch turn-by-turn navigations. One thing I particularly like is how detailed the voiceover is, i.e. recommends you a lane to stay in, etc This is one thing i wish Waze would be better at, because overall it seems like it's able to find faster routes than Google, although sometimes I wonder if it's only perceived, due to the way they gasify it.

Apple maps are absolutely horrible in turn-by-turn. Either I'm driving too fast, or the turn announcement is way too close.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

I travel frequently and have tried replacing the usual hotel chain with an airbnb. I totally agree, the hassle of dealing with hosts and being left disappointed a few times, it's not worth it (for me).

Where I found airbnb more useful (and cheaper) is when my family is in town and we're traveling somewhere and we usually book a whole apartment/house with multiple bedrooms. That is usually cheaper than booking 2 or 3 hotel rooms. However, in that space there are lots of alternatives (Homeaway, VRBO, local bed & breakfasts with their owns websites).

My impression is that airbnb, in the end, is just like those other sites. More recently, I've found that more often than not, the place you book (especially in popular areas) is owned or sublet by someone who's making a business out of short term renting and with that, the whole local/experience/sharing charm is gone.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

It's kind of fun to stay in somebody else's place. I do think there's something to be said for that. And, it IS frequently cheaper than a hotel. Many times, depending on where you're staying, it could also be more convenient. It's a B(nB) for the masses, and I don't really mind that. There of course is still room for the hotel industry, and I don't really think this is making a dent in their business. It's just diffe…

Outside of US it seems that the main customers of Airbnb rentals are Americans, and therefore often you see a price tag a few times higher than a price of a hotel in the area. I've never seen an Airbnb cheaper than a hotel. If you want a local price, you got to use local websites, or simply ask around or walk in a hotel/bnb. Nothing beats an offline price negotiation with a hotel manager, especially for long-term stays.

Out of curiosity, where did you find those cheap and convenient airbnbs?

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

I travel frequently and have tried replacing the usual hotel chain with an airbnb. I totally agree, the hassle of dealing with hosts and being left disappointed a few times, it's not worth it (for me). Where I found airbnb more useful (and cheaper) is when my family is in town and we're traveling somewhere and we usually book a whole apartment/house with multiple bedrooms. That is usually cheaper than booking 2 or 3…

Short term vacation rentals are definitely is where the money are at.

Also, for my experience, the niche if affordable mid/long-term rentals (1-2 months) appears to be underserved. Sure I can negotiate a monthly rate with a hotel, but unless they are experiencing a lack of demand, it's not worth it for them - they can make more money on short stays.

The cheapest alternative for finding a sublet appears to be local sources (websites, asking around locals), but that could be too much hassle, especially if you don't have time for it.

Airbnb listings sometimes provide a monthly rate, but again in my experience it's not very competitive. Being not very price sensitive, I'd still go with a previous option - it has it perks of local immersion.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of fun to stay in somebody else's place. I do think there's something to be said for that. And, it IS frequently cheaper than a hotel. Many times, depending on where you're staying, it could also be more convenient. It's a B(nB) for the masses, and I don't really mind that. There of course is still room for the hotel industry, and I don't really think this is making a dent in their business. It's just diffe…

Outside of US it seems that the main customers of Airbnb rentals are Americans, and therefore often you see a price tag a few times higher than a price of a hotel in the area. I've never seen an Airbnb cheaper than a hotel. If you want a local price, you got to use local websites, or simply ask around or walk in a hotel/bnb. Nothing beats an offline price negotiation with a hotel manager, especially for long-term sta…

I went to Tokyo and found a room in Ginza for $35 a night on Airbnb right next to the subway station. Another one in Silverlake LA for ~$40 a night.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

I guess I fall into the "typical AirBnb customer".

I don't like hotels so much. It feels fake and uncomfortable to me. I don't like someone walking into "my" room and tidying it up every day. Or get some fancy magnetic key, and copy&paste furniture*

I feel much more at home at someone's, erm, home. I can cook something for myself. I am pretty much guaranteed a good internet connection. There's usually a washing machine, so I can wash my own clothes instead of paying silly prices per-item, or waiting at a laundrette. The hosts frequently leave some good tips for places nearby. It just feels so much better to me than most hotels.

I'd happily pay more for all of it, but in many cases prices are on par or even cheaper, compared to the size / value I feel I'm getting.

* sure, there are some cool hotels, and I like those too. But those are typically the exception.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

I'll typically use Airbnb for business travel - it's always been cheaper than the average hotel (after some searching), and it fits well with my preference against neatly-packaged things.

That said: in my experience, the "local experience" schtick is pure BS. Airbnb is at an awkward midpoint between hotels and Couchsurfing: it lacks both the predictable experience of the former and the possibilities for awesome interpersonal/cultural exchange of the latter. Couchsurfing is not a real predecessor to Airbnb; the two are not at all the same thing, and confusing the two does a real disservice to what the "sharing economy" meant before it was conflated with the financial economy.

Re: AirBnB's Pricing Algorithm

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post #21

I still don't understand how's staying at an airbnb rental is more compelling than staying at a hotel. From my experience, Airbnb has only a single upside: you get to stay at someone else's place, which has a quite different vibe from a hotel. One the flip-side, compared to a hotel, the prices are considerably higher, you have to negotiate with a host on checkin time (most of the times), and overall you don't have an…

I've just been burned by this. I'm staying in Eastern Europe for nearly 2 weeks. Booked a place on airbnb because I wanted an apartment instead of a hotel room. It cost nearly $1500.

Out of the more than 15, 5 star reviews, some noted there was noise, but almost every single one praised the sound insulation and said "the noise wasn't a problem for me" or words to that effect.

Well, it was a total problem for me so I contacted airbnb. It wasn't an emergency so I emailed them. Their website said I'd hear back within 2 days. That would have been fine. I just wanted to know what my options were.

After 4 days (4 sleepless nights to be precise) I emailed again asking what the hell was going on. Eventually, 5 days after emailing them the first time, I got my first response at all. They said I had to speak to the host, send them evidence, etc. I told them they could shove it and I'd be booking into a hotel because they'd taken so long.

If this had been Amazon, they'd have said "Sorry there was as problem, which of these other places would you like us to transfer you to?" I pointed out to them that a) the host wouldn't be able to make the bars downstairs any quieter, and b) they'd taken nearly half my holiday to even respond. Initially I'd only wanted advice on what my next steps could be, but after dragging their feet for so long, things moved on and I booked a hotel instead.

Their whole chain of responses to me consistently read like they were passing the buck, making excuses, and generally trying to blame me for not doing research (erm, I read those 15+ reviews), or contacting the host (despite the fact I initially asked for advice). It seemed they were just stalling. I pointed out that since I'm now in a hotel, I didn't have any inclination to go to the flat and record the noise, especially since their terms say they'll only refund you for unused nights, not for nights where they were too understaffed to reply on time (they blamed the slow response rate on "there are a lot of people travelling at this time of year". Yeah, and I'm one of them).

So all things considered, I'll be thinking twice before using them again. It's a shame because over the last 3 years I've spent over $6000 USD with them and had one particularly good experience. But their whole attitude smacks of "we're just the platform, just pay our service charge and piss off".

@nnd - I can't see how it's relevant, but since you ask, I'm told I look like a character from shrek...

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