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Re: Financial Misstatements

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There are so many startup accelerators that take a team of engineers / product people and do their best to make businesspeople out of them. I'm one of those CEOs, for sure, and learning about the financial world, accounting, and trying to make sure to not mis-speak was quite difficult. The primary training I received during the accelerator helped a lot, but it was more along the lines of how to more accurately model…

What are the reasons startups can't hire good finance people? Or at least contract with an expert?

Is it a difficulty in judging their abilities when it's not your area? Is it something where only at a certain size would it be worth the reduced financial risk to have someone on it? Learning from scratch has to be the slowest, highest risk way of doing it -- which is the exact opposite of what a startup should be optimizing for (reduce risk where possible, move fast)

It seems like helping identify business talent is what an accelerator should be helping with, not becoming a half assed B-school for engineers..

There's some implicit assumption here that learning from scratch is better than hiring talent, and I think that's a mistake.

Re: Financial Misstatements

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Here's the biggest offenders I see when talking to founders: revenue vs GMV (if you give GMV, give me your cut/margin) contract vs LOI burn vs expenses users vs customers (customers pay) signups vs users vs active users (you should give active with time interval and measurement of active. eg. logged in last 30 days) profitable vs cash flow positive Others people should know: diff between retention rate vs churn rate…

I've probably been guilty of this but I think revenue & GMV can be confusing terms based on how a lot of commerce works via the internet. For reference, our company used to do dropship e-commerce.

Amazon, for example, uses revenue for first party sales and GMV for third party marketplace, Amazon never owns the product in third party marketplace. If you are a dropship retailer though, you have flash ownership because you buy from the dropship wholesaler and then you sell to the customer using a marketplace or website. You could say Amazon is different here because they physically have the products, but with net payment terms up to and past 180 days, it really isn't much different.

Also, if you just consider revenue to be your cut of GMV and you have net payment terms that gives your company high free cash flow, that seems important to distinguish as well.

[Update] The main point of my post is to show how confusing these terms are in one instance, and every business is different so it is really important to clearly define how you use the terms you are using

Re: Financial Misstatements

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Some of the more extreme stuff is the fault of "stretch the truth till it breaks" ideology in business culture. This stuff is dubious in any form IMHO, but when naive first-timers without MBAs pick it up it easily devolves into outright fraud. Someone who knows finance, law, and accounting inside and out knows when and where to stop stretching, but non-experts in these areas do not.

I've heard some jaw-droppers myself in conversations with other founders/entrepreneurs over the years. It's okay to put a positive spin on it, but it's not okay to lie. You can't say you are "cash flow positive" if you are not in any way shape or form collecting actual cash from anyone.

If you don't understand MBA-level accounting and finance, then the safest and most honest thing to do is stick to concrete numbers and things you clearly do understand. Revenue is actual dollars that land in your bank account-- real money that really exists. Profit is revenue minus expense. Customers are actual people or businesses who have given you money for an actual thing. Contracts are actual promises to do so in the future for some length of time. Users are people who are actually handling, running, or consuming your product right now, etc.

It's also perfectly okay to say "I'm not an accountant" in response to questions you don't understand. Your prospective investors are looking for someone to build a product and sell it, and if you can do that then that's your expertise. Accountants and lawyers can be hired on a consulting basis just like any other domain expert. It's okay not to have expertise in all areas as long as your expertise is where it counts and you have traction/results.

Investors will appreciate that too, since anyone operating as a VC or serious angel will see right through any nonsense you spew. It will simply discredit you, and any investor who doesn't have very sensitive radar for blowhards and con men will not be an investor long.

Re: Financial Misstatements

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post #21
post #3

There are so many startup accelerators that take a team of engineers / product people and do their best to make businesspeople out of them. I'm one of those CEOs, for sure, and learning about the financial world, accounting, and trying to make sure to not mis-speak was quite difficult. The primary training I received during the accelerator helped a lot, but it was more along the lines of how to more accurately model…

What are the reasons startups can't hire good finance people? Or at least contract with an expert? Is it a difficulty in judging their abilities when it's not your area? Is it something where only at a certain size would it be worth the reduced financial risk to have someone on it? Learning from scratch has to be the slowest, highest risk way of doing it -- which is the exact opposite of what a startup should be opti…

"What are the reasons startups can't hire good finance people?"

I think the reason is that you are in stage where the CEO personally empties the rubbish bins in the office, that's why.

Re: Financial Misstatements

#27
Accounting is so important and so underrated.

With a good accounting you can check the health of any company with just minute reading of the statements, cash flow, profit/losses, debits for short term, investments, etc.

With accounting you can easily know how your investments are going, when you have many and other people administrating.

You can also use accounting to invest in good companies for long term, and for this, I recommend Peter Lynch books.

Re: Financial Misstatements

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But even without intent, negligence can, at times, rise to the level of being criminal[1]. Not sure if there's even been a case of a white-collar/financial negligence charge being considered a felony or not though... Either way, I think sama's point was that this stuff can be A Big Deal and is really important. I don't think any of this discussion contradicts that. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligen…

Oh, negligence can certainly be criminal. Sam didn't claim that though, he specifically claimed that unintentionally stating incorrect jargon is a felony crime called 'fraud'. That is incorrect and somewhat ironic in a post about using correct terminology.

That is incorrect and somewhat ironic in a post about using correct terminology

Sure. I'm just saying it doesn't detract from the underlying point. But you're right, it is ironic and slightly amusing... Just goes to show, we're all susceptible to making silly mistakes when we step outside of our primary domain(s).

Re: Financial Misstatements

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I find most people can't name the summery lines of an income statement (Revenue>COGS>gross profit>sg&A>operating profit> etc.) let alone a balance sheet or cash flow statement. but frankly the one annoys me the most is is the way "cash flow" is misused.

BTW this comes into play https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEC_Rule_10b-5

Re: Financial Misstatements

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There are so many startup accelerators that take a team of engineers / product people and do their best to make businesspeople out of them. I'm one of those CEOs, for sure, and learning about the financial world, accounting, and trying to make sure to not mis-speak was quite difficult. The primary training I received during the accelerator helped a lot, but it was more along the lines of how to more accurately model…

What are the reasons startups can't hire good finance people? Or at least contract with an expert? Is it a difficulty in judging their abilities when it's not your area? Is it something where only at a certain size would it be worth the reduced financial risk to have someone on it? Learning from scratch has to be the slowest, highest risk way of doing it -- which is the exact opposite of what a startup should be opti…

> What are the reasons startups can't hire good finance people? Or at least contract with an expert?

Its the exact same problem with hiring quality engineers. The good ones have many options. So a startup's offer of $150,000/year plus 5% of a company that might not be around in 3 years just isn't that appealing.

I'm guessing the good ones have job options starting around $400,000/year, whether in Finance or public companies.

If you are a great company though, you'll be able to hire a very capable person...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/24/us-airbnb-cfo-idUS...

EDIT the question was about CFO's not accountants originally.

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