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July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by jqm »

slgeorge wrote: post #167
patrickaljord wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having a better environment for businesses boosts profits, not innovation. Of course, but more profits encourages people to create more businesses which create more innovation. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.

In your parent post you said: "Liberals want to heavily tax fossil and subsidize renewable energy. Problem with that is that taxing fossil make life and the economy harder in the meantime and subsidizing often goes to cronies which is bad for innovation" Something to consider here is that taxing oil production or similar carbon emissions creating isn't really a tax. It's actually just reflecting the real cost of the…

To that point, if it is indeed true that fossil fuels are heating the planet (most likely), it would be nearly impossible to "tax" (i.e. collect the real external costs of the activity) enough.

What is the number you put on rising sea levels and altered weather patterns?

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by jqm »

cm2187 wrote: post #139
patrickaljord wrote: post #109

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I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

The solution is simple: nuclear energy. Thorium.

Hmm... sounds interesting. Can we use it to achieve geo-political domination through control of energy resources?

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by malchow »

abritinthebay wrote: post #152
malchow wrote: post #91

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Do out of band "aftcasts" correctly show the decade-long global warming hiatus from 1998 to 2008? [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus

Anyone who thinks this is an issue doesn't understand trends and variance. It's a high-school level failure of mathematics.

I suspect you fall prey to a question of scope. I imagine you spend more time with statisticians than, say, paleoceanographers and geologists. They might say, and reasonably so, that my reference to the ten year "break" in alleged global warming is irrelevant (as you say it is) and that your reference to a purely centurial warming trend is just as irrelevant. They might then accuse you of failing to understand variance and of having failed high school mathematics.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by yongjik »

downandout wrote: post #144
patrickaljord wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

> I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Global warming and climate change are one in the same. "Global warming" became the rallying cry for so many environmentalist quacks citing bunk science - people like Al Gore were universally skewered in the mainstream media - that it was toxic from a PR perspective. So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beli…

There must be a name for in-the-end-everybody-dies-so-why-bother logical fallacy...

(For some reason, these same people are often pretty worried about the state of the economy. Nations have fallen since the beginning of history, and in the end every business and every nation collapse, so why don't we just let them fail and see if the next one is better?)

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by downandout »

yongjik wrote: post #194
downandout wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Global warming and climate change are one in the same. "Global warming" became the rallying cry for so many environmentalist quacks citing bunk science - people like Al Gore were universally skewered in the mainstream media - that it was toxic from a PR perspective. So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beli…

There must be a name for in-the-end-everybody-dies-so-why-bother logical fallacy... (For some reason, these same people are often pretty worried about the state of the economy. Nations have fallen since the beginning of history, and in the end every business and every nation collapse, so why don't we just let them fail and see if the next one is better?)

It's quite a bit different. Economies were invented by people, are controlled by people, and therefore can be altered by people. The environment, however, has none of these characteristics. This is not a "logical fallacy" - it's simply a fact that the environmentalists of the world don't like very much and have spent billions of dollars (mostly of other people's money- i.e. your tax dollars) trying to get people to ignore.

There is indeed a logical fallacy playing out in all of this, and that of course is that environmentalists/liberals are attempting to control something that all of the credible scientific evidence says we can't control. Controlling the universe, as it turns out, is much harder than bribing legislators to use the government resources to pursue one's agenda.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by braythwayt »

dhimes wrote: post #121
braythwayt wrote: post #86

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I think “toes the line” is an expression literally meaning, “To advance to the start of a race.” From there, we get the idea of participating in something, and from there we get conforming to rules or standards. As in, “Raganwald has a potty mouth in person, but he toes the line and respects HN’s guidelines for civil discussion."

I understand that the term is nautical: http://www.seatalk.info/cgi-bin/nautical-marine-sailing-dict...

There seems to be some uncertainty about its origins, with some saying sports, many cite “toeing the plank,” and a few other explanations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by the_why_of_y »

jqm wrote: post #191
slgeorge wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your parent post you said: "Liberals want to heavily tax fossil and subsidize renewable energy. Problem with that is that taxing fossil make life and the economy harder in the meantime and subsidizing often goes to cronies which is bad for innovation" Something to consider here is that taxing oil production or similar carbon emissions creating isn't really a tax. It's actually just reflecting the real cost of the…

To that point, if it is indeed true that fossil fuels are heating the planet (most likely), it would be nearly impossible to "tax" (i.e. collect the real external costs of the activity) enough. What is the number you put on rising sea levels and altered weather patterns?

Some IMF economists' best guess is USD 5.3tn per year.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fu...

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by yongjik »

downandout wrote: post #195
yongjik wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There must be a name for in-the-end-everybody-dies-so-why-bother logical fallacy... (For some reason, these same people are often pretty worried about the state of the economy. Nations have fallen since the beginning of history, and in the end every business and every nation collapse, so why don't we just let them fail and see if the next one is better?)

It's quite a bit different. Economies were invented by people, are controlled by people, and therefore can be altered by people. The environment, however, has none of these characteristics. This is not a "logical fallacy" - it's simply a fact that the environmentalists of the world don't like very much and have spent billions of dollars (mostly of other people's money- i.e. your tax dollars) trying to get people to i…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

Mankind has been altering environments since when they only had stone tools. Your argument is basically, "I don't believe modern humans (with its 7+ billion population and sustained alteration of the majority of land area) have any noticeable effect on the Earth's ecosystem, therefore scientists who say so are wrong."

Stop being so willfully ignorant.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by downandout »

yongjik wrote: post #198
downandout wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite a bit different. Economies were invented by people, are controlled by people, and therefore can be altered by people. The environment, however, has none of these characteristics. This is not a "logical fallacy" - it's simply a fact that the environmentalists of the world don't like very much and have spent billions of dollars (mostly of other people's money- i.e. your tax dollars) trying to get people to i…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction Mankind has been altering environments since when they only had stone tools. Your argument is basically, "I don't believe modern humans (with its 7+ billion population and sustained alteration of the majority of land area) have any noticeable effect on the Earth's ecosystem, therefore scientists who say so are wrong." Stop being so willfully ignorant.

So your argument is that the ice age did not occur....how could it have, since the T-Rex did not have fossil fuels to burn, and fossil fuels are the source of all climate change events? Got it.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by yongjik »

downandout wrote: post #199
yongjik wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction Mankind has been altering environments since when they only had stone tools. Your argument is basically, "I don't believe modern humans (with its 7+ billion population and sustained alteration of the majority of land area) have any noticeable effect on the Earth's ecosystem, therefore scientists who say so are wrong." Stop being so willfully ignorant.

So your argument is that the ice age did not occur....how could it have, since the T-Rex did not have fossil fuels to burn, and fossil fuels are the source of all climate change events? Got it.

There's so many logical and factual errors that my head hurts. But for a start: the K-T extinction event (which wiped out the dinosaurs) was caused by an asteroid impact. Ice age, if there ever was one at that time, only played a secondary role.

And yes, all scientists (at least sane ones) would agree that, if a several-kilometer-across ball of rock and iron falls from the sky, it will have such a disastrous consequence on the climate (among other things, including "staying alive" for most people) that our modern Global Warming will look like a summer picnic in comparison.

...which is basically non sequitur.

I'm not even sure why you brought up dinosaurs.

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